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Thank you Jacqueline.
I've found my cousins family tree on ancestry
Apparently Alice Ball married (my great great grandfather) John Leese who died in 1864
Alice then married Sylvanus Cyples in 1867

I have Henry Leeses wedding certificate and they all lived a 14 Sutherland Place.

I would like to know which factory the all worked in.
That would be interesting :-D

Ps
The black and white photo on hear is of me and my grandad John Leese. Henry's Son

First name(s) John
Last name Lees
Name note -
Marriage year 1847
Marriage date 31 Jan 1847
Marriage place Fulford,Stafford,England
Spouse's first name(s) Alice
Spouse's last name Ball
Place Fulford
County Staffordshire
Country England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Howard Street, Caverswall, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Leese Head Married Male 36 1825 Potter Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Alice Leese Wife Married Female 36 1825 - Staffordshire, England Transcription
George Leese Son - Male 11 1850 Potter Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Leese Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Sarah Leese Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Emma Leese Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Mary A Leese Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
John Leese Son - Male 0 1861 - Caverswall, Staffordshire, England

Look at ALL the records posted on here (and the comments).....and evaluate the info systematically

Henry's father must have died.........unless Alice's marriage to Cyples was bigamous

Look for a death in the district in which they were living in 1861

Hi everyone
I'm new to this, but I've just started looking into my family tree.
I'm a little stuck and puzzled. This is what I've got so far.

My grand father was John leese. Born in Longton in 1899
Married my Gran Ann Coburn in 1923 in Ossett
So my Great Gand Parents are Henry Leese and Matilda Hanson and they lived at 14 Sutherland Place, Longton

My problem is Sylvanus And Alice Cyples, according to the censer 1901 they also lived at 14 Sutherland Place with them.

The bit I can't understand is What happened to Henry's father if Alice was his mother
:-S

Amanda

I took the trouble to find and post for you the 1851 census showing Alice with her first husband..........

County Staffordshire
Place Caverswall
Church St Peter
RegisterNumber 191
MarriageDate 18 Feb 1867
GroomForename Sylvanus
GroomSurname CYPLES
GroomAge 33
GroomParish
GroomCondition Single
GroomOccupation Potter
GroomAbode Caverswall
BrideForename Alice
BrideSurname LEES
BrideAge 43
BrideParish
BrideCondition Widow
BrideOccupation Potter
BrideAbode Caverswall
GroomFatherForename William
GroomFatherSurname CYPLES
GroomFatherOccupation Potter
BrideFatherForename Sylvanus
BrideFatherSurname BALL
BrideFatherOccupation Potter
WitnessOneForename Jane
WitnessOneSurname MIDDLETON
WitnessTwoForename Rupert
WitnessTwoSurname ABBERLEY
Notes Both signed X.


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(perhaps worth a look round on above free link)


County Staffordshire
Place Longton
Church St John
RegisterNumber 195
MarriageDate 01 May 1892
GroomForename John
GroomSurname LEESE
GroomAge 19
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Potter
GroomAbode Anchor Rd
BrideForename Sarah Elizabeth
BrideSurname EVANS
BrideAge 19
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode Anchor Rd
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname ILLEGITIMATE
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename Edward
BrideFatherSurname EVANS
BrideFatherOccupation Miner
WitnessOneForename Edwin
WitnessOneSurname COTTON
WitnessTwoForename Selina Agnes
WitnessTwoSurname DAY

Chris :)

Burial
County Staffordshire
Place Longton
Church Longton Cemetery
RegisterNumber 3757
BurialDate 11 May 1892
Forename Florrie
Surname LEESE
Age 2d
Abode Anchor Road
Notes Parish of St Johns

Hi

Than you all for information you have given me

I have been looking at in more detail and into it further, It does look like John Leese was born illigitamitly. ( I will order is birth and marriage cert )


Let take it that the info given early is correct, And elizabeth Leese is John mother John then has is mother name has is suremane. Elizabeth Leese in cences records is down has living with Alice Cyples ( Who l take is her mother) and Sylvanus Cyples has her step father. However in the 1871 cences

Name: Elizabeth Leese
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's name: Alice Cyples
Gender: Female
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 83
Piece: 2876
Folio: 70
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Sylvenus Cyples 36
Alice Cyples 43
George Leese 21
Elizabeth Leese 19
Sarah Leese 19
Emma Leese 15
Mary Ann Leese 12
Albert Leese 7
Henry Leese 7

Is it that Alice was married before to a man with surename Leese and the chidren are these and he possible died, divorced, etc and she married Sylvaus and he took on the Alice and the 7 kids

Or

Are they marked down in the census wrong and they are in deed Alice and Sylvanus children

This family is a mystery to me l just dont seem to be able to crack it

Thanks

Amanda

I am going to get is birth and marraige cert l will order them on monday

Don't assume that any info prior to the marriage is the right John until you verify

Hi thank you so much for all the information

amanda

This will tell you his mother's name............assuming it's the correct child

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference

LEESE John Longton Stoke-On-Trent LEESE LGN/050/007

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Furnace Road, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Lees Head Married Male 26 1825 Potter Turner Hanley, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Alice Lees Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Broseley, Shropshire, England Transcription
George Lees Son - Male 1 1850 - Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
William Mathews Lodger Widower Male 42 1809 Potter Thrower Fenton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Benjamin Mathews Lodger - Male 11 1840 Potter Clay Wedger Fenton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
William Mathews Lodger - Male 6 1845 Scholar Fenton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Maria Mathews Lodger - Female 2 1849 - Fenton, Staffordshire, England

Name: Sylvanus Cyples
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1867
Registration District: Cheadle
County: Staffordshire
Event Place: Cheadle, Staffordshire, England
Volume: 6B
Page: 342
Line Number: 241

Sylvanus Cyples probably married one of the following people
Name: Mary Jones
Name: Alice Lees***********
Name: William Wood

Name: Sylvanus Cyples
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 1834
Christening Place: ST. JAMES', LONGTON, STAFFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Cyples
Mother's Name: Ellen

I hope this isn't leading you on a wild-goose chase!

Same family in 1881........thought I'd post it while I had it on screen

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10, Sutherland Place, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Servenuus ? Cyples Head Married Male 46 1835 Potters Turner Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Alice Cyples Wife Married Female 53 1828 Potters Turner Wife Madeley, Shropshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Leese Step Daughter Single Female 29 1852 Potters Wheel Turner Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Albert Leese Step Son Single Male 17 1864 Potters Presser Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Henry Leese Step Son Single Male 17 1864 Potters Turner Caverswall, Staffordshire, England Transcription
John Leese Grand Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
George Streets Boarder Single Male 29 1852 Potters Presser Longton, Staffordshire, England

Elizabeth would be the obvious candidate for his mother

Alternative scenario...........this man's occupation tallies with 1901, but, of course, that could be sheer coincidence, in view of the locale

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sutherland Place, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Silvensis Cyples Head Married Male 56 1835 Potter Twiner Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Alice Cyples Wife Married Female 66 1825 - Broseley, Shropshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Leese Stepdaughter Single Female 40 1851 Potter Throwers Assistant Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
John Leese Stepson Single Male 18 1873 Potter Handler Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Albert Dalo Visitor Single Male 6 1885 Scholar Longton, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Henry Leese Stepson Single Male 29 1862 Potter Twiner Longton, Staffordshire, England

Suggestion ONLY

First name(s) John
Last name Leese
Birth year 1872
Birth date 11 Sep 1872
Baptism year 1878
Baptism date 04 Aug 1878
Baptism place Longton, St James
Denomination Anglican
Mother's first name(s) Emily
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D3277/1/1/5
Page 7
Register Type Baptisms
Record set Staffordshire baptisms

First name(s) John
Last name Leese
Age 19
Birth year 1873
Marriage year 1892
Marriage date 01 May 1892
Marriage place Longton, St John
Denomination Anglican
Residence 224 Anchor Rd
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Evans
Spouse's age 19
Spouse's Residence 236 Anchor Rd
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Evans
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive Reference D3276/1/2/3
Page 98
Register Type Marriage 1837 type

No father named, so that's very conclusive

As with Sarah, look for him in 1881

Much more fun to find info yourself

If that doesn't prove conclusive, a copy of his marriage cert would probably help