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I'm trying to find out information concerning Elsie Lucy Voinquel [Nee Rothmund] 1883 - 1948.

On her wedding certificate, it said that she was born in Birmingham, I don't think this is correct as I can't find a birth certificate for her in this area.I also know that she & her sister ran away from home [where ever that was!!!].

Her fathers name was Constantine he was a Pearl Button manufacturer. I haven't any information for him either.

Elsie was my Grandmother, so I have all the information from her marriage etc.I just can't find out anything about her before that.

Thanks
Elsa

Name: Elsie Lucie Rothmund
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1904
Registration District: Lambeth
County: London
Event Place: Lambeth, London, England
Volume: 1D
Page: 837
Line Number: 311


Elsie Lucie Rothmund probably married one of the following people
Name: Marie Louis Voinquel

Age at death would suggest born 1880/1881.

Have you found her on census at all?

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) ELSIE L
Last name VOINQUEL
Gender Female
Birth year 1881
Age 67
Death quarter 1
Death year 1948
District HARROW
County Middlesex
Volume 5F
Page 326

Marriage certs in England and Wales do not show birthplace info

Who was her sister?

Wedding certs do not usually give place of birth

Do you mean on the 1911 census it shows Birmingham

Louis Voinquel

in the 1911 England Census


Name: Louis Voinquel
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: France
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 29 Undine Street, Tooting SW
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: CLUB CHEF
Registration district: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration district: Streatham
ED, institution, or vessel: 78
Piece: 2363
Household Members:
Name Age
Louis Voinquel 33, born France
Lucia Rothmand Voinquel 28, born Manchester
Emile Voinquel 8, born Belfast
Piewe Voinquel 6, born London
Jane Voinquel 3, born "
Fernande Voinquel 0, born "

Married 9 years, 4 children, all living.

wonder if she was born in Germany?

Is this her on 1911 ?

Louis Voinquel Head Married Male 33 1878 Frais France Club Chef
Lucia Rothinsend Voinquel Wife Married Female 28 1883 Manchester
Emile Voinquel Son - Male 8 1903 Belford
Pierre Voinquel Son - Male 6 1905 London Lambeth -
Ians - Daughter - Female 3 1908 Kennington -
Fernande - Daughter - Female 0 1911 Tooting -

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
29 Undine St Tooting S W, Wandsworth Borough, London, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Louis Voinquel Head Married Male 33 1878 Frais France Club Chef Transcription
Lucia Rothinsend Voinquel Wife Married Female 28 1883 Manchester - Transcription
Emile Voinquel Son - Male 8 1903 Belford - Transcription
Pierre Voinquel Son - Male 6 1905 London Lambeth - Transcription
Ians - Daughter - Female 3 1908 Kennington - Transcription
Fernande - Daughter - Female 0 1911 Tooting - Transcription

The eldest child was not born during the marriage

Rank: Civilian Date of Death: 03/12/1940 Age: 63 Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead Reporting Authority: WILLESDEN, MUNICIPAL BOROUGH Additional Information: French Citizen. Husband of Lucie Elsie Voinquel, of 7 Blowith Road, Harrow. Died at Queen's Park Station, Kilburn.

http://www.cwgc.org/

Chris :)

Is it certain that she was born Rothmund ? Could she have been a widow when she married?

Previous thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1296978

no births in england with that name

Lucia Rothinsend Voinquel
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name: Lucia Rothinsend Voinquel
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
County: London
Parish: Wandsworth Borough
Sub-District: Streatham
Registration District: Wandsworth
Gender: Female
Age: 28
Birthplace: Manchester, Lancashire

A tree on Ancestry has son Pierre Arthur Voinquel born 12/04/1904 and married Rose Lilian Raven (1908-1977) He died 1972, Hillingdon, England.

Well shoot! All of this was on the previous thread and I conrtributed to it! You'd think I would remember such an unusual name.

Another thread linked from the one sighted by RR
http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1265727

When Elsie lucie Voinquel died in 1948 ( Louis 1940) the administration went to his sister, worth getting her will to see if she left anything to her sister, if she was still living?

From a thread in 2009 ( re passenger lists)

"

I'm wondering if you can help me please.

My Grandfather Marie Louis Voinquel 1877 came from France, in about the late 1890's to Ireland.
He went back from England to France to fight in the 1914-18 war.

I know he lived in London from 1904, when he married Elsie Lucy Rothmund, who came from Germany I believe.

Both of my Grandparents lived together maybe in Ireland
before they married in 1904.

I've just seen from your Passenger List that there where very few European records, (this is what I have found) so I don't hold out much hope of their records being found.

Hopefully Elsa"

Just for ref

VOINQUEL, LOUIS MARIE

Rank:CivilianDate of Death:03/12/1940Age:63Regiment/Service:Civilian War Dead Reporting Authority:WILLESDEN, MUNICIPAL BOROUGHAdditional Information: French Citizen. Husband of Lucie Elsie Voinquel, of 7 Blowith Road, Harrow. Died at Queen's Park Station, Kilburn.