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I wonder, this possible marriage might be worth further investigation:


Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)
BELL Eliza Leeds 23 424 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Booth Joseph Leeds 23 424
DIXON Sarah Leeds 23 424
GIBSON Barnabas Leeds. 23 424
Hitchen Mary Hannah Leeds 23 424
Huscroft Dobson Leeds 23 424
Naylor William Leeds 23 424 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
TAYLOR Charity Leeds 23 424



There are two Eliza Bells born c1824 in Barnsley

Name: Eliza Bell
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 21 Nov 1824
Christening Place: St. Mary the Virgin's, Barnsley, York, England
Father's Name: Richard Bell
Mother's Name: Hannah


Name: Eliza Bell
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 14 Nov 1824
Christening Place: SAINT MARY,BARNSLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Bell
Mother's Name: Mary

Chris

Yes, your marriage find makes much more sense.

I'll delete my posts to avoid unnecessary confusion

Strangely, I posted that earlier, and then deleted, because I found this in 1881

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Thistle Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Conroy Head Married Male 41 1840 Laborer Genl For Corporation (Scav) Queen's, Ireland Transcription
Bridget Conroy Wfe Married Female 40 1841 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Elizabeth A Conroy Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Julia Conroy Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Mary Rourke Boarder Single Female 38 1843 Braid Mill Worker (Trim) Manchester, Lancashire, England Transcription
Joseph Green Nphw Single Male 4 1877 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

If the man in question didn't keep changing his name and birth year, things would be so much more straightforward

YES patrick and Peter seem to be the same person

based on the baptism of Ada where her father was in the 22nd Foot Regiment thsi could be him
First name(s) PATRICK
Last name CONROY
Birth year 1840
Birth parish MOUNT MELLICK
Birth town BRADFORD
Birth county QUEENS (LAOIS)
Birth country IRELAND
Service number 562
Rank SERGEANT
Regiment Cheshire Regiment - 22nd Foot
Document Type Discharge
Attestation year 1858
Attestation Day 9
Attestation Month 1
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months 3
Discharge Corps 2/22ND REGT OF FOOT
Discharge service number 562
Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 1923
Box Record Number 79
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

now one census has him born in Ireland and others Bradford Yorkshire which I think may have been an assumption on the enumerators part having heard born Bradford. Note his Birth info on the above !!!

Jacqueline, I wondered about this marriage:

Marriages Dec 1867

Conroy Patrick Newcastle T 10b 240 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
DORMAN William Newcastle T 10b 240
Kidd Frances Emma Newcastle T 10b 240
NAYLOR Anner Newcastle T 10b 240 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Hannah being mistranscribed as Anner

It fits in with the area where the Alfred was born and there is this family in the 1861 census

Piece: RG9/3818 Place: St Andrew -Northumberland Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Saint Andrews Ecclesiastical Parish: Saint Andrews
Folio: 83 Page: 14 Schedule: 63
Address: 3 Halls Court

NAYLOR William Head M M 39 Fruiterer Yorkshire - Thorner
NAYLOR Elvia Wife M F 37 Fruiterers Wife Yorkshire - Barnsley
NAYLOR Hannah Dau U F 12 Scholar,Daur Yorkshire - Leeds<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
NAYLOR Mary Jane Dau U F 10 Scholar,Daur Yorkshire - Leeds
NAYLOR Nathaniel Son U M 9 Scholar,Son Yorkshire - Leeds
NAYLOR Charles Son U M 7 Scholar,Son Yorkshire - Leeds
NAYLOR Ann Elizth Dau U F 2 Daur Northumberland - Newcastle
NAYLOR Emma Dau U F 1m Daur Northumberland - Newcastle

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17, York Street, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Conroy Head Married Male 37 1844 Ex Soldier Bradford, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Hannah Conroy Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England Transcription
Alfred Conroy Son Single Male 14 1867 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription
Caroline Conroy Daughter Single Female 12 1869 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England Transcription
Emily M Conroy Daughter Single Female 8 1873 - Aldershot, Hampshire, England Transcription
Ada Adelaide Conroy Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - East Indies Transcription

Oops, Chris........missed that!

So the birth year was a complete guess, and not based on any documentary evidence.

And he hadn't gone far in 1911........!

Going back to the Conroy family are Patrick and Peter the same person??

Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
Print transcription Attach to tree
First name(s) Emily Mary
Last name Conroy
Name note -
Age 25
Marriage year 1898
Marriage date 04 Jan 1898
Marriage place St. Paul'S, Elswick, Northumberland, England
Father's first name(s) Peter
Father's last name Conroy
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) William John
Spouse's last name Rutherford
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Rutherford
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
Residence Elswick, Northumberland, England
Place Elswick
County Northumberland
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
70, Prospect Place, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
William John Rutherford Head Married Male 25 1876 Provision Warehouseman Lowick, Northumberland, England

Emily Mary Rutherford Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Aldershot, Hampshire, England

Margaret Rutherford Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
128 Stone Street Newcastle-Upon- Tyne, Westgate, Northumberland, England
Birth Place First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation
Northumberland Lowick William John Rutherford Head Married Male 35 1876 Provision Warehouseman
Hampshire Aldershot Emily Mary Rutherford Wife Married Female 38 1873 -
Northumberland Newcastle Margaret Rutherford Daughter - Female 12 1899 School
Northumberland Newcastle James William Rutherford Son - Male 10 1901 School
Northumberland Newcastle Jessie Rutherford Daughter - Female 6 1905 -
Northumberland Newcastle Alfred Rutherford Son - Male 2 1909 -
Northumberland Newcastle Elsie Rutherford Daughter - Female 0 1911 -
Haddington Keith Hill Margaret Rutherford Mother Widow Female. 75 1836
Married 14 years 5 children born all living
Living in 4 rooms



First name(s) EMILY M
Last name RUTHERFORD
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1874
Age 81
Death quarter 1
Death year 1955
District NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE
County Northumberland
Volume 1B
Page 17
Country England

Possible death
First name(s) THOMAS
Last name ROBSON
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1882
Age 44
Death quarter 2
Death year 1926
District NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE
County Northumberland
Volume 10B
Page 138
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Jacqueline

Marriage details copied from 2nd posting on this thread:


he was younger than you thought

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Robson
Name note -
Age 22
Marriage year 1905
Marriage date 04 Jan 1905
Marriage place St. Paul'S, Elswick, Northumberland, England
Father's first name(s) Jasper
Father's last name Robson
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Annie Eliza
Spouse's last name Conroy
Spouse's birth year 1882
Spouse's birth date 1882
Spouse's father's first name(s) Peter
Spouse's father's last name Conroy
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
Residence Elswick, Northumberland, England
Place Elswick
County Northumberland
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

so born c1883

If you wish to trace Thomas, you will need to find/give more info about him.

Questions about him were asked in order to try to help you...........

You say he was born c1877.............what leads you to think that?

If you don't have a copy of his marriage cert, it would be advisable to get one............for factual info

Marriage for Thomas and Hannah???



Name: Thomas Robson
Spouse's Name: Hannah Nicholson
Event Date: 29 Jun 1840
Event Place: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father's Name: Jasper
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas


Looking at this baptism, this looks to be the Thomas N Robson in the 1861 census posted above.


Name: Thomas Nicholson Robson (Note the middle name NICHOLSON)
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 11 Oct 1840
Christening Place: All Saints', Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father's Name: Thomas Robson
Mother's Name: Hannah






Possible baptism for Hannah Nicholson:



Name: Hannah Nicholson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 07 Dec 1818
Christening Place: All Saints, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father's Name: Thomas Nicholson
Mother's Name: Jane


Possible baptism for Thomas:



Name: Thomas Robson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 04 Jul 1819
Christening Place: GOSFORTH,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Jasper Robson
Mother's Name: Susan

Marriage for Jasper & Elizabeth:


Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
DERRY Elizabeth Newcastle T 10b 210 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Dowse Fanny Newcastle T. 10b 210
OLIVER George William Newcastle T. 10b
ROBSON Jasper Newcastle T. 10b 210 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Possibly Elizabeth in 1861 census:

ece: RG9/3956 Place: Appleby -Westmorland Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: St Michaels Bongate Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 51 Page: 7 Schedule: 44
Address: Sands

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
DERRY George Head M M 50 Chelsea Pensioner Northumberland - Berwick On Tweed
DERRY Mary Wife M F 45 Chelsea Pensioners Wife Cumberland - Carlisle
DERRY Margaret Dau U F 16 Devon - Devonport
DERRY George Son U M 11 Scholar Ireland - -
DERRY William Son - M 9 Scholar Kent - Woolwich
DERRY Robert Son - M 6 Scholar Westmorland - Appleby
DERRY Elizabeth Dau - F 4 Scholar Westmorland - Appleby<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



Elizabeth in 1871 census:


Elizabeth Derry
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name: Elizabeth Derry
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 14
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Appleby, Westmorland
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Hartlepool
Sub-District: Hartlepool
Parish: Hartlepool
County: Durham
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
George Derry Self M 60 Berwick Upon Tweed
Mary Derry Wife F 55 Carlisle, Cumberland
William J Derry Son M 19 Woolwich, Kent
Robert Derry Son M 16 Appleby, Westmorland
Elizabeth Derry Daughter F 14 Appleby, Westmorland<<<<<<<<<<<<<


and in the 1881 census:


Elizabeth Derry
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name: Elizabeth Derry
Age (Original): 24
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1857
Birthplace: Appleby
Relationship to Head of Household: Nce
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Barmaid (Inn Serv)
Address: 8 Durham St
Event Place: Elswick, Northumberland, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5055 / 140
Page Number: 36
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Elizabeth Derry Head F 76 Newcastle On Tyne Berwick On Tweed
Elizabeth Ward Nce F 39 S Shields, Durham, England
John Ward Nephew M 10 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England
Andrew Ward Nephew M 9 Newcastle On Tyne, Northumberland, England
Elizabeth Derry Nce F 24 Appleby<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Walter Goss Lodger M 20 Norwich, Norfolk, England



Possible marriage for George and Mary:



Name: George Derry
Spouse's Name: Mary Linox
Event Date: 04 Apr 1836
Event Place: Saint Mary,Carlisle,Cumberland,England

Possible baptism for Mary Linox:

Name: Mary Linnox
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 06 Dec 1815
Christening Place: SAINT MARY,CARLISLE,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Linnox
Mother's Name: Mary



Possibly Jasper Robson:


Jasper in 1861 census:
Piece: RG9/3829 Place: All Saints -Northumberland Enumeration District: 18b
Civil Parish: All Saints Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Folio: 64 Page: 12 Schedule: 71
Address: 2 Wall Knoll Bk

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROBSON Thos Head M M 42 Cooper Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne
ROBSON Hannah Wife M F 42 Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne
ROBSON Thos N Son U M 20 Engine Smith Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne
ROBSON Hannah Dau U F 14 Scholar Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne
ROBSON Jane Dau - F 12 Scholar Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne
ROBSON Catherine Dau - F 8 Scholar Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne
ROBSON Mary A Dau - F 5 Scholar Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne
ROBSON Jasper Son - M 2 Northumberland - Newcastle On Tyne<<<<<<<<<<

Jasper in 1871 census:


Jasper Robson
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name: Jasper Robson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Newcastle, Northumberland
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-District: Westgate
Parish: Elswick
County: Northumberland
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Robson Self M 51 Newcastle, Northumberland
Hannah Robson Wife F 52 Newcastle, Northumberland
Hannah Robson Daughter F 23 Newcastle, Northumberland
Mary Ann Robson Daughter F 14 Newcastle, Northumberland
Jasper Robson Son M 11 Newcastle, Northumberland<<<<<<<<<<
Christopher Mowbray Son-in-law M 26 Newcastle, Northumberland
Jane Mowbray Daughter F 21 Newcastle, Northumberland
Catherine Mowbray Granddaughter F 0 Newcastle, Northumberland

Jasper in the 1881 census:


Jasper Robson
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name: Jasper Robson
Age (Original): 21
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1860
Birthplace: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Coppersmith
Address: 4 Picton Ter
Event Place: Newcastle Upon Tyne All Saints, Northumberland, England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5062 / 148
Page Number: 24
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Hannah Robson Head F 63 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Mary Ann Robson Daughter F 25 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Jasper Robson Son M 21 Newcastle, Northumberland, England<<<<<<<<
Hannah Shaw Daughter F 33 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Jasper Shaw Son In Law M 29 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Isabella Shaw Grand Daughter F 10 Newcastle, Northumberland, England
James Fitzgerald Grand Son M 6 Newcastle, Northumberland, England

thanks to you all for that amazingly quick response. Lots of very useful info. Interesting that on the British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription Ada is shown as Conway with parents Patrick & Hannah.

A possibility for the child that died
Births Mar 1905
Robson Jasper Newcastle T. 10b 75

Deaths Mar 1905
Robson Jasper 0 Newcastle T 10b 47

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Breamish Street, All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England


Jasper Robson Head Married Male 31 1860 Copper Smith Newcastle on Tyne

Elizabeth Robson Wife Married Female 33 1858 - Appleby, Northumberland, England

Thomas Robson Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne

George Robson Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne

Lillian Robson Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Newcastle on Tyne

Peter McPherson Visitor Married Male 32 1859 Civil Engineer Scotland

Isabella McPherson Visitor - Female 32 1859 - Lincolnshire, England

Peter McPherson Visitor - Male 3 1888 - Greenwich, Middlesex, England


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8, Breamish Street, All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England


Jasper Robson Head Married Male 42 1859 Coppersmith Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

Elizabeth Robson Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Appleby, Westmorland, England

Thomas Robson Son Single Male 18 1883 Fitter Engine Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

George Robson Son Single Male 17 1884 Boiler Smith Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

Jasper Robson Son Single Male 15 1886 Errand Boy Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

Lillian Robson Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

Mary Robson Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

William Robson Son Single Male 5 1896 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England

Robert Robson Son - Male 0 1901 - Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England


looks like he is with his parents

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
81 Shortridge Terrace Newcastle on Tyne, Jesmond, Northumberland, England

Birth Place First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation
Newcastle on Tyne Jasper Robson Head Married Male 52 1859 Coppersmith

Appleby Westmoreland Elizabeth Robson Wife Married Female 53 1858 -

Newcastle Thomas Robson Son Married Male 28 1883 Engineer Electrical married 7 years which is crossed through >>>>>>>

Newcastle George Robson Son Single Male 27 1884 -

Newcastle Jasper Robson Son Single Male 25 1886 Coppersmith

Newcastle Lillian Robson Daughter Single Female 23 1888 Clerk Post Office

Newcastle Mary Robson Daughter Single Female 19 1892 At Home

Newcastle William Robson Son Single Male 15 1896 Assistant Md College

Newcastle Robert Alexan Robson Son - Male 10 1901 School

Have you found Thomas in censuses prior to 1911?

she is living with Ada in 1911
their mum is with them too

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4 Longley Street Newcastle upon Tyne, Westgate, Northumberland, England


Birth Place First Name Last Name Relationship Condition Gender Age Year Of Birth Occupation
Northumberland Newcastle Robert Henry Laming Head Married Male 38 1873 Salesman

India Bengal Raneekhet Ada Adelaide Beatrice Laming Wife Married Female 34 1877 -

North Newcastle Harold Laming Son - Male 3 1908 -

Yorks Leeds Hannah Conroy Mother In Law Widow Female 62 1849 -

Northed Newcastle Annie Eliza Robson Sister In Law Married Female 29 1882 -

Northed Newcastle Mary Robson Niece - Female 5 1906 School
Annie married 6 years 2 children born i died


Deaths Mar 1910
Conroy Peter 66 Newcastle T. 10b 63