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Out of curiosity I took a look at Thomas Miles Carroll's will and Carol Molly Van Loggerenberg is mentioned along with her brother Michael James Van Loggerenberg, so she wasn't an only child. That's a new bit of information that wasn't mentioned before.

EDIT:- from a web site I found it states that 'a' Michael James Van Loggerenberg was born on 03/06/1936 and married a Elizabeth Wilhelminia Cornelia Meintjies, but can't get any more info as it's a paid site for members only so could be a different one.

Catherine ..I must admit I am a bit lost ..

Chandi mentions.....(Original Post)


"My grandmother is Carrol Molly Strydom born 29 Jan 1935 in Johannesburg, still living."

So am I a bit mixed up

I think that Strydom must be her married name as the will states that Michael James Van Loggerenberg is the son, and Carol Molly Van Loggerenberg is the daughter, of his sister.

As a matter of interest it also gives the names of Lynette Constance Carroll and Melane Carroll who are the girls of his brother.

So all the children mentioned would be the nieces and nephews of Thomas Miles.

EDIT:- just to show that Lynette Constance and Melanie were indeed the daugthers of Petrus

Petrus Jurie Carroll
South Africa, Orange Free State, Estate Files
Nom Petrus Jurie Carroll
Type d'événement Death
Date de l'événement 12 Jul 1969
Lieu de l'événement Bloemfontein
Date de naissance 11 Dec 1912
Nom du conjoint Constance Edmundia Carroll
Autre nom (s) CHILD:Melané Carroll; CHILD:Lynette Carroll

Just wish I could find Patrick Joseph's Death...!!

On the will of Petrus he left all he had to his daughter Melané.
This is why:-

Lynette Constance Carroll
South Africa, Orange Free State, Estate Files
Nom Lynette Constance Carroll
Type d'événement Death
Date de l'événement 14 Dec 1968
Lieu de l'événement Bloemfontein
Date de naissance 16 Sep 1946
Nom du père Petrus Jurie Carroll
Nom de la mère Constance Edmundia Carroll

As Eringobragh posted earlier, Patrick married Nellie Brierey in 1927

Nom Patrick Joseph Carroll
Type d'événement Marriage
Date de l'événement 09 Dec 1927
Lieu de l'événement Durban, Natal, South Africa
Sexe Male
Âge 48
Année de naissance (estimée) 1879
Nom du conjoint Nellie Brierley
Sexe du Conjoint Female
Conjoint Age 29
Année de naissance du conjoint (estimée) 1898


She went on to marry again in 1945

Nellie Brierley Carroll
mentionné dans le document concernant Valentine Albert Aubery et Nellie Brierley Carroll
Nom Valentine Albert Aubery
Type d'événement Marriage
Date de l'événement 15 May 1945
Lieu de l'événement Durban, Natal, South Africa
Sexe Male
Âge 53
Année de naissance (estimée) 1892
Nom du conjoint Nellie Brierley Carroll
Sexe du Conjoint Female
Conjoint Age 44
Année de naissance du conjoint (estimée) 1901
Both noted as Europeen

She is a shop assistant and married by special licence.
She is noted as Divorcee

(I don't know, just another one of those smooth talking Irish men I suppose)

Was hoping she was widow which would have narrowed down a death for Patrick, but hey ho!!

I wonder if this may be another Marriage....Although childrens Baptism dates overlap....

PJC was an overseer and family were living 16 Lennox St.Kimberley


Patrick Joseph Carroll

mentioned in the record of Joseph Carroll

Name Patrick Joseph Carroll

Child Joseph Carroll

Other information in the record of Joseph Carroll

from South Africa, Church of the Province of South Africa, Parish Registers

Name Joseph Carroll
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 08 Dec 1906
Event Place Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Parent Name Patrick Joseph Carroll
Parent 2 Name Harriet Ellen Carroll
Page 171
Entry Number 679

Cannot follow it through on either Joseph or Harriet Ellen..

There is also another childs Baptism for the couple Kathleen Grace in 1911 but they were in the Transvaal by then.

thanks so much guys I appreciate the help and insights...

Catherine unfortunately my gran being 80, moved a lot and also had a few robberies clearing her out she doesn't have such paperwork...I am applying this week for it - I am in Australia so will do here so I have the info on me...I am hoping to get her mothers (Annie Catherine)...

Yep almost infuriating that still struggling to find a death certificate for Patrick....we know he died before Thomas or Petrus did....so it has to be recorded somewhere surely grrrrr...

Eringobragh not sure if the last post is the same one that would be a complete new set of info....

ok we know he was born in Ireland 1878-1879....I guess the thing is about when he landed in RSA - likely DUrban port considering most events took place in Durban and Thaba Nchu until Annie moved to Bloemfontein where my gran was born....

Did you see my post on the first page from yesterday around one PJC I found in Ireland with parents Thomas and Annie....I guess its just a guess but thought names were interesting as he gave it to two of his children...

Sorry guys re confusion...yes my grandmothers current surname (Strydom) is her married name she married a Johannes Jacobus Strydom...she was born a Van Loggerenberg but hope to get more from the certificates when I get it

Come on Death Certificate....or event recording....must be somewhere?!

Sorry we have a massive time difference due to Aus

My gran had a brother as stated, he passed away though a long time ago

Catherine....my gran is certain of his name Izak but we wonder if he had other names or spelling - she never knew him as he left the family when she was a baby...so will have to wait to find that one out but the PJC is the key to what we need