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Chris thanks so much for the advert on Hannah at least I know where she was for this period.....the marriage certificate for Hannah Wake and Richard Huckle 1854, Melbourne....says he was born in London, 34 years, plasterer, parents Richard Huckle and Susan Llyod (maiden name) his father is a coal merchant.... which makes Richard born around 1820 if the cerificate is to be believed. Jayne

http://tinyurl.com/gwwfdno

(above 1860 news article relates)


Where is this info. from of Richard born London, and Marriage of Huckle/Lloyd?...


Richard William Huckell (occ. Carman)
17 Apr 1814 St Botolph, Aldgate City of London Richard Huckell,
Susan Huckell (Born March 16)

(above Baptism comes up, on Ancestry, possibly below couple)


England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Richard
Last name Huckell
Marriage year 1809
Marriage date 17 Dec 1809
Marriage place St Botolph Aldgate
Marriage date note Banns
Spouse's first name(s) Susannah
Spouse's last name Mann
Residence St. Botolph Aldgate, London, England

Chris :)

Richard Hucklec

thanks Chris,
looking also into a Richard Huckle, parents Richard and Susan nee Lloyd born London 1814 i think, married 1854 melbourne to Hannah Moriah Wake, any information, says on his marriage certificate that he was a painter....this marriage didn't last.......believe he may have gone backward and forward on the emigrate ships as a cook.....and maybe married again.....thanks jayne

Baptisms Auckland 1847 John Loft Merrington

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/

(perhaps more available elsewhere, but above worth a search)

Chris :)

13 July 1860 - Durham County Advertiser - Durham, Durham, England

Died
At Merrington, on the 7th inst., aged 47, Jane, wife of John Loft, labourer.

Looking for information on a John Loft born 1845 in Durham to John and Jane Loft, I have him on the 1851 census in Merrington Auckland, would love to be able to track his movements, marries in NZ in 1895 to a Mary Millar, says he is 48 yrs and a miner. Cheers

Thanks Chris looking for the sisters after they left Cornwall i believe in 1868 and sailed to Melbourne Australia.......did they marry what work etc

(so would be below Baptism then, perhaps)

Chris :)

Day Month 25-Jan
Year 1844
Parish Or Reg District Just in Penwith, St.
Forename Louisa
Surname THOMAS
Father Forename Benjamin
Mother Forename Margaret
Residence Tregeseal
Father Rank Profession miner


http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

also below, both free to search)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/


(one of below)

Births Mar 1843 (>99%)
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Thomas Louisa Penzance 9 199


Births Dec 1843 (>99%)
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THOMAS Louisa Penzance 9 197


1841
Piece: HO107/144/9 Place: Penwith -Cornwall Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: St. Just Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 34 Page: 12
Address: Tregeseal
THOMAS Benjamin M 40 Copper Miner Cornwall
THOMAS Margaret F 35 Cornwall
THOMAS Margaret F 10 Cornwall
THOMAS Martin M 9 Cornwall
THOMAS Benjamin M 7 Cornwall
THOMAS Mary F 4 Cornwall
THOMAS John M 2 Cornwall

http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


(worth a check, 'Search All Member Trees', top right of page here, under 'Search', names could be shared by other Members)

This is not Louisa Thomas her father was Benjamin Thomas , not Nicholas as states on the certificate.....Gins has the correct family Thanks......

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

(her Baptism on above 1844, also below Marriage, worth a look round!)


Day Month 16-Jul
Year 1864
Parish Or Reg District Pendeen
Groom Fn Christopher Williams
Groom Sn BRANWELL
Groom Age 21
Groom Residence Carnyorth
Groom Condition bachelor
Groom Rank Profession miner
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name William
Groom Father Rank Profession miner
Bride Fn Louisa
Bride Sn THOMAS
Bride Age 18
Bride Residence Carnyorth
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name Nicholas
Bride Father Rank Profession miner
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Thomas
Witness Sn1 Branwell
Witness Fn2 Benjamin
Witness Sn2 Thomas

Chris :)

(in case her below, from another free link, useful for Cornwall)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Burial
County Cornwall
Place St Just-in-Penwith
Church name St Just
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 747
Burial date 06 Jan 1868
Person age 21
Burial person forename Louisa
Burial person surname BRANWELL
Burial person abode Bosavern


Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
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Branwell Christopher Williams Penzance 5c 474
Thomas Louisa Penzance 5c 474

Is this the correct family?


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Neckaby, St Just, Penzance, Cornwall, England

Benjamin Thomas Head Married Male 50 1801 Tin Miner St Just, Cornwall, England
Margaret Thomas Wife Married Female 50 1801 - St Just, Cornwall, England
Martin Thomas Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Tin Miner St Just, Cornwall, England
Benjamin Thomas Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Tin Miner St Just, Cornwall, England
Mary Ann Thomas Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 - St Just, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Thomas Daughter - Female 10 1841 - St Just, Cornwall, England
Louisa Thomas Daughter - Female 7 1844 - St Just, Cornwall, England
Walter Thomas Son - Male 5 1846 - St Just, Cornwall, England

Looking for information on Louisa Thomas born 1844 25th Jan Just in Penwith and Eliz Thomas born 1842 sisters to Martin Thomas who left Plymouth 1868 on the ship Conflict arrival Nov 1868 Melbourne Australia....Thanks

Thanks Chris for the above information you have sent me, have been studying and have only just checked in to my tread, alot for me to follow through with......Have you any leads as to where Martin may have passed away. Thanks again for your help .

(below looked to relate perhaps)

(from Newspapers, Find My Past)

(or below, both need subscriptions)

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/


Baptism
Day Month 27-Jul
Year 1834
Parish Or Reg District Ludgvan
Forename Benjamin
Surname THOMAS
Sex son
Father Forename Benjamin
Mother Forename Margaret
Residence Newtown
Father Rank Profession Miner
Notes born 14 July

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

Chris :)


10 May 1879 - Cornishman - Penzance, Cornwall, England

ST. JUST
The Sad News of the death by violence of Mr. Benjamin Thomas, native of this parish, and son of the late Benjamin Thomas, of Tregeseal, has lately been sent home from America (where it appears Thomas has been shot) to his sorrowing friends. According to report the circumstances attending his death are most sad. He leaves a wife and three children (to whom he has sent no help for some time) as well as an aged mother, to mourn his loss.

Thanks Chris for the information you have provided, have been looking on most sites but nothing really fits, dont know when and if he left NZ , the electoral has a Martin Thomas but don't believe it is him,
Are you able to tell me when and where his brother Benjamin Thomas ended up in America, as Martin may have gone to visit etc...

(have you checked on below?)

Chris :)

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

(NZ Newspapers)


https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792

(New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973)


https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

(Archives New Zealand)


New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981 (Ancestry)


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(Australia Newspapers)


edits

14 October 1859 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England

West Penwith Justices Petty Sessions
On Wednesday last, before D. P. Le Grice, John St. Aubyn, M. P., and T. S. Bolitho, Esqs., and the Rev. John Tonkin. - Martin Thomas, of St Just, miner, complained of by P. C. 102 ; James Nicholls, of North St. Just, miner, complained of by the same officer, were fined 5s. each and costs for drunkenness.


(Brother Benjamin went to America)

Thanks heaps for the above information, any chance of finding a death certificate for Martin Thomas, which if you do I'll purchase to check out any more children or if he married....thank you all for your time.

Day Month 31-Jul
Year 1869
Parish Or Reg District Just in Penwith, St.
Groom Fn Walter Edmond
Groom Sn THOMAS
Groom Age 23
Groom Residence Newhouse
Groom Condition bachelor
Groom Rank Profession miner
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name Benjamin THOMAS
Groom Father Rank Profession miner
Bride Fn Jane
Bride Sn ANGWIN
Bride Age 19
Bride Residence Newhouse
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name Charles ANGWIN
Bride Father Rank Profession grocer
Banns / Licence (B/L) banns
Witness Fn1 Charles
Witness Sn1 Angwin
Witness Fn2 John
Witness Sn2 Thomas

Baptism
Day Month 11-Oct
Year 1845
Parish Or Reg District Just in Penwith, St.
Forename Walter Edmund
Surname THOMAS
Sex
Father Forename Benjamin
Mother Forename Margaret
Residence Tregaseal
Father Rank Profession miner


Day Month 24-Sep
Year 1826
Parish Or Reg District Ludgvan
Groom Fn Benjamin
Groom Sn THOMAS
Groom Age
Groom Residence OTP
Groom Condition
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M)
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Margaret
Bride Sn EDMONDS
Bride Age
Bride Residence OTP
Bride Condition
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M)
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 Willm
Witness Sn1 EDMONDS
Witness Fn2 John
Witness Sn2 ROWE


Baptism
Day Month 04-Dec
Year 1831
Parish Or Reg District Ludgvan
Forename Martin
Surname THOMAS
Sex son
Father Forename Benjamin
Mother Forename Margaret
Residence Ludgvan
Father Rank Profession Miner
Notes born 20 Novr.


(probably more on family, below links)

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

Victoria inward passenger lists 1839-1923 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Walter E
Last name Thomas
Age 23
Birth year 1846
Arrival year 1869
Arrival month Nov
Arrival port Melbourne
Ship name Glenmark
State Victoria
(with Jane, occ. Miner)

This 'could' be him - he is not listed on 1861 census and his brother Walter ended up in Australia around 1870 ?

1851:
Name: Martin Thomas
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Son
Father's name: Benjamin Thomas
Mother's name: Margaret Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: St Just, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Just in Penwith
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: St Just
ED, institution, or vessel: 3e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 1919
Folio: 185
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Thomas 50
Margaret Thomas 50
Martin Thomas 19 Tin Miner
Benjamin Thomas 16
Mary Ann Thomas 14
Elizabeth Thomas 10
Louisa Thomas 7
Walter Thomas 5

NB Walter seems to have married Jane Angwin in 1869 and then they went to Victoria, Australia ?

What was the name of your ggg grandmother born in 1864 please?

Dea x

EDIT - I see that it was Elizabeth Maria who was born in 1864. (I have been reading your article in the Queenstown Courier ) :

http://www.queenstownhistoricalsociety.org.nz/2014%20Winter%2091.pdf

VERY interesting !!!

Dea x

Martin Thomas
Thanks Dea
would also like to find out information on Martin Thomas, he is listed as the father on my ggg grandmothers birth certificate he was a miner 30yrs, born England, my grandmother was born in Cardrona, New Zealand 1864 to Hannah nee Wake

Thank you all for your time into looking for this information ....hopefully something may come through for the birth certificate for John Loft.....have not followed through with the thought that he may have been registered in a Roman Catholic church