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Thanks for that rootgatherer... Mmmm my Annie I "think"was born Sunderland q1 1888 .. So that may not be her Or her father :-/

I haven't connected them as yet until I try find her baptism or give in and have to order her birth

Christine x

Same family in 1881 - and they do have a son William

Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Hope St N, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England


Robert Brown Head Married Male 60 1821 Shipwright Sunderland, Durham, England
Elizabeth Brown Wife Married Female 57 1824 Wife Sunderland, Durham, England
William Brown Son Single Male 21 1860 Blacksmith Sunderland, Durham, England
Ada Alice Brown Daughter Single Female 18 1863 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Henrietta A Brown Daughter Single Female 16 1865 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Robert Hy Brown Son Single Male 14 1867 Blacksmith Sunderland, Durham, England
Robt Chas Walker - Single Male 6 1875 - Northumberland, England
Jno W E Walker - Single Male 4 1877 - Sunderland, Durham, England

Here's the FindMyPast version of that 1891 census. Note the birthplace of Annie.

Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
North Hope Street, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England



Robert Brown Head Married Male 70 1821 Retired Glass Maker Durham, England
Elizabeth Brown Wife Married Female 66 1825 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Elenor A Brown Daughter Single Female 25 1866 Ship Assistant Draper Durham, England
Henrietta F Brown Daughter Single Female 23 1868 Ship Assistant Draper Durham, England
Robert N Brown Son Single Male 22 1869 Plater Iron Ship Yard Durham, England
Alfred E Walker Visitor - Male 10 1881 - Durham, England
Anne N Brown Visitor - Female 3 1888 - Bainton, Yorkshire, England

thanks for that Chris Ho ..

theres alot of them buried there !!! maybe oneday will connect them all :-/

christine x

Cemetery Registers Sunderland 1909 William Brown abt 1864 5 Maple Street

(above from below, if relating)

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/


Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
BROWN William 45 Sunderland 10a 408

Chris :)

edits (if William on below, worth a search, 'Hern' there also)

http://durham-images.org/public/cemeteries/sub/b/br011.html


(also as 1911)

Cemetery Registers Sunderland 1904 Elizabeth Brown abt 1824 44 Hope Street

thanks for checking Dea..

so still having no joy ..
looks like it may be her with her grandparents above in the 1901 and as mrs hern in 1911
will keep searching to see if i can find anything with her and her father together and if no joy may have to see if i can trawl through the films in local studies and find her baptism

christine x

At that address was a Palfreyman family in 1901 and a Renney family in 1911 so not much help there then :-(

Dea x

afternoon everyone ...

the marriage cert for matthew and annie hilda has just arrived :-)

they were married 27/12/1909 in sunderland congregational church

annies father was a william brown ( deceased) ? looks like spirit merchant ? and the ad she gave was 5 maple street sunderland..

christine x

This appears to be the same family in 1891......

Elizabeth Brown in the 1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Brown
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert Brown
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Hilda
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth

Household Members:

Robert Brown 70 (Retired Glass Maker)
Elizabeth Brown 66
Elenor A Brown 25
Henrietta F Brown 22
Robert H Brown 22
Alfred E Walker 10 (Visitor)
Anne H Brown 3 <<<<<



Elizabeth Brown in the 1881 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Brown
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Robert Brown
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 1 Hope St N
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Wife
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth

Household Members:

Robert Brown 60
Elizabeth Brown 57
William Brown 21
Ada Alice Brown 18
Henrietta A. Brown 16
Robert Hy. Brown 14
Robt.Chas. Walker 6
Jno.W.E. Walker 4
Alfred E. Walker 10mnths

(that 1901 posted on Find My Past, so should be on Genes, as below)

Chris :)

1901
Elizabeth Brown Head Widow Female 78 1823 - Sunderland, Durham, England
Ellen Brown Daughter Single Female 40 1861 Dressmaker Sunderland, Durham, England
Florence Brown Daughter Single Female 30 1871 Upholsterer Durham, England
Robert Brown Son Single Male 28 1873 Shipyard Plater Durham, England
Alfred Walker Grand Son Single Male 17 1884 Horse Driver Barmpton, Durham, England
Hilda A Brown Grand Daughter Single Female 13 1888 At School Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England
Street Hope Street (44)
Parish Sunderland
County Durham
Municipal ward Bridge
Registration district Sunderland
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 4706
Folio 29
Page 50


(from below link, worth a look, Durham)

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/

Cemetery Registers Sunderland 1929 Matthew Pinchard Hern abt 1886 15 Hedworth Street

Cemetery Registers Sunderland 1924 Annie Hilda Hern abt 1888 45 Tatham Street


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8559194

(Navy Record)

Description:

Name Hern, Matthew
Place of Birth: Sunderland
Number: ST 1820
Date of Birth: 05 November 1884
(Parents, Joseph, Elizabeth)


(also below came up)

Cemetery Registers Sunderland 1909 Blanche Florida Thew abt 1908 7 John Street West

Just off to sort tea but will be back to look into it further tonight :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Christine x

Austin I've just seen .. Ohh it could be her !!!!! :-) :-)

Christine x

Have just posted possible 1911 above

thanks .. will let you know when the marriage cert comes :-) hopefully it will help confirm link ! but still nothing for her in 1911 :-/

christine x

This might be Annie in 1911- image just says MRS Hern:

Name: MN Hern
[Mrs Hern]
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Ryhope
County/Island: Durham
Street address: 15 Hollycarr Terrace Ryhope
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration District Number: 555
Sub-registration district: Ryhope
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 30252
Household Members:
Name Age
W W R Bewick 61
A Bewick 41
W Bewick 19
Wm N Bewick 19
S Bewick 18
E Lsie Bewick 10
MN Hern 23 Boarder married, Sunderland (Image not MN but Mrs)
Y Hunter 23 Visitor, single

That census is also on Ancestry. Wonder why it isn't on GR? I suspect Hilda has been mistranscribed because of the curious way that the enumerator makes an H and also the fact that he doesn't bother to dot his i's. I suggest you look for the other names in the family.

aw thanks .. will have to check it out when i get my laptop fixed ..im on old laptop and the web browser im using wont let me load family search .

christine x

its on family search

https://familysearch.org

malyon did find that 1901census on here? its bringing up no results for me :-S :-S

christine x

you may be right !!