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Robert Foxwell and Catherine Soper/read confusion

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malyon

malyon Report 11 Jul 2016 12:44

Catherine's death


Deaths Dec 1917 (>99%)

Foxwell Catherine 67 Greenwich 1d 1091

Robert's death


Deaths Mar 1913 (>99%)

Foxwell Robert 58 Greenwich 1d 1263

Back2roots

Back2roots Report 11 Jul 2016 13:18

So do we know why Catherine soper wrote her name as read in the census when Robert Foxwell was next door. How many kids did they have together? Who was she a widow to?

malyon

malyon Report 11 Jul 2016 13:51

she most likely just lived with a man named read never married him they did lie on census

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 14:07

I don't know if you've got this,

Clara Anne Foxwell
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Clara Anne Foxwell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1892
Father's name: Robert Foxwell
Mother's name: Kate Foxwell
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Katharine
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

NOTE Clara is baptised as an adult age 13.

I'm inclined to think that Ruth and Beatrice were born Soper

Name: Beatrice Kate Soper
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Jan 1877
Father's name: John Soper
Mother's name: Katherine Soper
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Ruth Eleanor Soper
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name: Ruth Eleanor Soper
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Feb 1872
Father's name: John Soper
Mother's name: Kate Soper
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 15:17

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Cock William Edward St. Olave 1d 331

Foxwell Clara Ann St. Olave 1d 331

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
72 Fawcett Road, St Paul Deptford, London, England

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W E Cock Head Married Male Generel Labour 41 1870 Parish of Bermondsey
Clara Cock Wife Married Female At Oil Mill 33 1878 London Bermondsey
Beatrice Cock Daughter - Female School 12 1899 London Rotherithe
John Cock Son - Male School 8 1903 London Deptford
Alfred Cock Son - Male - 0 1911 London Deptford

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 15:39

possible if Read has been mistyped?

Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)

Leeks William Hardy St. Saviour 1d 95
Reed Beatrice Kate St. Saviour 1d 95

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
102 Trundley Road New X SE, St Paul Deptford, London, England

William Hardy Leeks Head Married Male Iron Roofing Erector 46 1865 Suffolk Nayland
Beatrice Kate Leeks Wife Married Female - 33 1878 London Bermondsey
Mable Francis Leeks Daughter Single Female Biscuit Packer 14 1897 London Rotherhithe
Henry Leonard Leeks Son Single Male - 12 1899 London Rotherhithe
Dorothy Susannah Leeks Daughter Single Female - 11 1900 London Deptford
Voilet Maud Leeks Daughter Single Female - 8 1903 London Deptford
Thomas Fredrick Leeks Son Single Male - 2 1909 London Deptford
Emily Mobbs Boarder Single Female General Servant Domestic 42 1869 London St James

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 15:40

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Leeks Household (2 People)
171 Trundleys Road , Deptford, London, England

Beatrice K Leeks 17 Dec 1876 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Alfred E Leeks 01 Nov 1912 Handy Man Corporation Of Lloyds

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 15:55

It does seem that that marriage gives surname as spelling REED, but I wouldn't rule it out, her father is given as John Reed, on Beatrice Kate's batism her father is given as John Soper

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription

First name(s) Beatrice Kate
Last name Reed
Name note -
Age 23
Marriage year 1895
Marriage date 21 Dec 1895
Marriage place Newington
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Reed
Spouse's first name(s) William Hardy
Spouse's last name Leeks
Spouse's father's first name(s) Henry
Spouse's father's last name Leeks
Residence Newington, Surrey, England
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain


Either way buying Beatrice Kate's birth cert will give DOB and that can be cross checked with the DOB given on the 1939 register.

Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
Soper Beatrice Kate St. Olave 1d 215

EDIT YES it is the right marriage, as one of the witnesses is Clara A Foxwell. ( image at Ancestry). father "deceased"...

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 16:19

??

Just wondering if this is relevant?

Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
SOPER Ruth Eleanor St.Olave 1d 270

Births Jun 1872 (>99%)

STEVENS Ruth Eleanor St. Olave 1d 270

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 19:43

Just to keep the info together

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Goodson Road, Brockley, Greenwich, London, England

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Robert Foxwell Head Married Male 37 1854 Lighter Man Rotherhithe, Middlesex, England
Catherine Foxwell Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Bermondsey, Middlesex, England
Beatrice Foxwell Daughter - Female 14 1877 - Bermondsey, Middlesex, England
Clara Foxwell Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Bermondsey, Middlesex, England
Annie Foxwell Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Camberwell, Middlesex, England
Kate Foxwell Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Camberwell, Middlesex, England
William Soper Wifes Father Widower Male 82 1809 Tailor Middlesex, England

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Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010 Transcription
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First name(s) ROBERT
Last name Foxwell
Birth year -
Master's first name(s) George Pearce
Master's last name White
Bound year 1870
Bound day 17
Bound month May
Place -
Date free 11 Mar 1879
Where from notes Bermondseyy
Source Binding Records 1692-1949
Record set Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010
Category Education & work
Subcategory Occupations
Collections from Great Britain

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 19:47



Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010 Transcription

First name(s) ALFRED GEORGE
Last name Foxwell
Birth year -
Master's first name(s) Robert
Master's last name Foxwell
Bound year 1909
Bound day 28
Bound month Oct
Place DEPTFORD
Date free 1919 Jun 24
Where from notes Deptford
Source Binding Records 1692-1949
Record set Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010
Category Education & work
Subcategory Occupations
Collections from Great Britain

Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010 Transcription
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First name(s) ALFRED GEORGE
Last name Foxwell
Birth year 1892
Birth day 2
Birth month Dec
Master's first name(s) -
Master's last name -
Bound year 1909
Bound day 28
Bound month Oct
Place NORTH DEPTFORD
Date free -
Where from notes -
Source Binding Records 1692-1949
Record set Thames Watermen & Lightermen 1688-2010
Category Education & work
Subcategory Occupations
Collections from Great Britain

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 21:24

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Union Road Prospect Place, St Mary Rotherhithe, Rotherhithe, London, England


James Foxwell Head Married Male 40 1821 Potatoe Dealer Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary Ann Foxwell Wife Married Female 31 1830 Glove Maker Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Robert Foxwell Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary Ann Foxwell Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Covent Garden, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Foxwell Daughter - Female 3 1858 Scholar Islington, Middlesex, England
Edwin Cable Boarder Unmarried Male 25 1836 Painter Rotherhithe, Surrey, England

this is quite interesting: the apprenticeship for Robert Foxwell was to George Pearce White and there is this item in the gazette ( on left of page)
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30947/page/11998/data.pdf

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 21:30

That would probably be James, Robert's older brother , here visiting George White in 1851 with mother Mary,

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Salisbury Street, Bermondsey, Surrey, England


George White Head Married Male 48 1803 Thames Policeman Bermondsey, Surrey, England T
Mary White Wife Married Female 48 1803 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Ann White Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 Glover Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Elizabeth White Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1835 Glover Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Jacob White Son - Male 14 1837 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Sarah White Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary Foxwell Visitor Married Female 22 1829 Glover Bermondsey, Surrey, England <<<<<<<
George White Visitor - Male 2 1849 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England Transcription
James Foxwell Visitor - Male 0 1851 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England <<<<<<<<

later census for James
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, St Helena Road, Rotherhithe, St Olave Southwark, London, England



James Foxwell Head Married Male 30 1851 Lighterman Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Matilda A Foxwell Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
James R Foxwell Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary Ann E Foxwell Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Robert P Foxwell Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Mitilda A Foxwell Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Charles R Foxwell Son Single Male 0 1881 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England

Rambling

Rambling Report 11 Jul 2016 21:43

WHITE AND FOXWELL

CRICKET

Built 1878 by John Stewart and Son, Blackwall. Iron screw tug. 11GRT 2NRT. 40.6'x9.2'x5.2'. 6nhp 2cyl compound steam engine by Smith Bros, Limehouse. [Manufactured 1897] ON 112678.

1878 Delivered to unknown owner. [Unregistered vessel]. 1900 First registered London. 3-1900 Owner Nicholas C Dixon, Rotherhithe, London. 6-1900 Sold to George Pearce White, barge owner, 36 Plough Rd., Rotherhithe. 7-1900 Owners G P White and James Foxwell, Deptford, barge owners. 10-1918 Sold to J Foxwell and William Downing, Rotherhithe. 1924 [by] Managing owner James Foxwell, 36 Plough Rd., Rotherhithe. 1926 Same owner. 3-1-1929[by] Scrapped.

http://thamestugs.co.uk/WALKER---WOODS.php

Back2roots

Back2roots Report 12 Jul 2016 00:40

Thanks for all the amazingly interesting info. I found a marriage between Mary Ann bartholomew white and James robert foxwell in 1850. I think this is James and Roberts father. The marriage is in newington, close to southwark where his death is registered. There was a lot of nepotism happening lol

Can someone please tell me is St Olave a place or a church because it keeps coming up.

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AJames~%20%2Bsurname%3AFoxwell~%20%2Bbirth_place%3ALondon~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1821-1822~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3Alondon~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1835-1850~%20%2Brecord_country%3AEngland

Back2roots

Back2roots Report 12 Jul 2016 02:16

I found a Charles Enoch Foxwell born 1867 and died 1870 at 3 years old in St Olave Bermondsey. I can't seem to find any info about the parents. Anyone have any idea how I can find out if this is an ancestor?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2JNL-Y3Z

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Jul 2016 06:07

Well if you get the death cert it should say son of and the fathers name

Sometimes you need certs to cross check info ,not everything' is cut and dried on census and bmds

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Jul 2016 06:16

His birth


Name: Charles E Foxwell
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Bermondsey
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 83

And death
Charles Enoch Foxwell
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 3
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 195

For info St Olave is a registration district

This is a good site for info

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/

ST OLAVE SOUTHWARK REGISTRATION DISTRICT

Registration County : London.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.1.1902 (to become part of St. Olave (Bermondsey) registration district).
Sub-districts : Bermondsey, Leather Market, St. James Bermondsey, St. John Horsleydown, St. Mary Magdalene, St. Olave Southwark, Rotherhithe.
GRO volumes : IV (1837-51), 1d (1852-1901).
Registers currently held at : Southwark.
Table 1: List of Places in St. Olave Southwark Registration District

Back2roots

Back2roots Report 12 Jul 2016 08:25

Thanks Shirley, I already saw those indexes but they dont reveal the parents unfortunately and Im not going to spend 22 pounds for a certificate at this point.

Rambling

Rambling Report 12 Jul 2016 10:10

backtomyroots.. order from the GRO £9.95, don't ever buy certs through a 3rd party like Anc' or GR etc.

I wonder if you could shorten that link to family search please? it's stretched the page as long links do .