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Hi,
The father on my Grandfathers Marriage Cert is Alfred Samuel goodwin which must be his adopted father.
I do not know where my Grandfather grew up or what age he came to England from ireland.
But I was told by a lot of my mothers family when they was alive that my Grandfather was Irish that his surname was Quinn and that he came from Mallow in Cork Ireland
I do not know anymore.

Susan- ignore the Downey, Lynch and Nicholas surnames- they are people entered into the indexes that also married at that time.

It seems like his father was Alfred Samuel Goodwin and his mother was Mary Jane Day.
I cannot make out who Celia Kate Downey, Edward Lynch, and Nicholas Richard J Griffin are.
I think I can remember my Grandfather having a sister Nellie she was blind.
thats all I know.

Thank you for all your help.

Susan Bicknell King.

The children of my grandparents do ring a bell George Patsy Charles Flor ence Rosetta Maisie Walter. I knew those. My Grandad was 29 when he got married in 1915 at Wandsworth Registry Office.My Graandmother was 25.
On the marriage cert it says his father wasAlfred Samuel Goodwin that must be the father that adopted him. But I do not know his name when he was born. I was just told he came from Ireland Cork

Mallow and his surname was Quinn. That is all I know.

On the Military Record (FMP) for George Alfred Goodwin his next of kin is Florence- 19 Broomgrove Road, Stockwell. (and in 1911 they were lving at 7 Broomgrove Road). (EDIT: military record on Ancestry states addres as Broomfield Road)

Thought this workhouse record might be connected:

London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records

Name: Alfred S Goodwin
Discharge Date: 18 Nov 1901
Discharge Age: 44
Record Type: Discharge
Borough: Lambeth
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth
Title: Workhouses and Institutions

Alfred S Goodwin 44- wife Mary, 1 Broomgrove Road, Stockwell
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So this is likely George Alfred, with Alfred Samuel in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Broomgrove Road, Lambeth, London, England

Alfred Goodwin Head Married Male 49 1852 Bricklayer London, Middlesex, England
Jane Goodwin Wife Married Female 32 1869 - London, Middlesex, England
George Goodwin Son Single Male 15 1886 Van Boy London, Middlesex, England
Nellie Goodwin Daughter Single Female 7 1894 - London, Middlesex, England
---------------------------------------

ArgyllGran has posted the 1911 for Alfred S and Mary Jane.


likely marriage:

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
DAY Mary Jane Wandsworth 1d 1151 <<<<<<<<
DOWNEY Celia Kate Wandsworth 1d 1151
Goodwin Alfred Samuel Wandsworth 1d 1151 <<<<<<<<<
Lynch Edward Greenwich 1d 1151
NICHOLAS Griffin Richard J Wandsworth 1d 1151

there's this Alfred Samuel, who's a bricklayer - married 23 years - but it says they'd only had one child (Mary). Unless they didn't count Alfred if he wasn't their own blood kin??

Alfred Samuel Goodwin
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alfred Samuel Goodwin
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Camden Town
Civil Parish: Mitcham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 6 Smiths Blgs, Commonside E, Mitcham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration district: Croydon
Registration District Number: 39
Sub-registration district: Mitcham
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 118
Piece: 3435
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Samuel Goodwin 52
Mary Jane Goodwin 40
Mary Elsie Goodwin 17
Lily Yerbury 13 - visitor


In 1915 he's living alone - or at least with no other person of voting age:

Alfred Samuel Goodwin
in the Surrey, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1962
Name: Alfred Samuel Goodwin
Year: 1915
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Wimbledon
Residence Place: Wimbledon, Surrey, England
Place of Abode: 4 Claremont cottages, Lewis road J
Reference Number: CC802/26/3

But in 1920 Mary Jane is with him:

Alfred Samuel Goodwin
in the Surrey, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1962
Name: Alfred Samuel Goodwin
Year: 1920 Spring
Parliamentary Division/Constituency: Mitcham
Residence Place: Mitcham, Surrey, England
Place of Abode: 4 Claremont Cottages


I don't see them in the 1901 census.

My Grandfathers father was Alfred Samuel Goodwin and he was a General Labourer.
It says on his Marriage Cert that he was 29 in 1915 so that makes his birth around 1886 and he lived at 48 Whites Square Clapham. The witness on the cert were
S. Mason which was my Grandmothers Mother. the other witness I do not know who they could be E. Meatyard.
Thats all I know.

Thank you.
Susan King.

You say there was no birth cert for Alfred born Limerick.

Can I ask, did you quote the right volume and page numbers? If the record's on Ancestry, it should exist.

Alfred Goodwin
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
Name: Alfred Goodwin
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1888
Registration district: Limerick
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 5
Page: 349
FHL Film Number: 101062


Having said that, I seriously doubt that that could be your Alfred, unless he wasn't adopted after all.
If he was adopted, I'm sure his birth would have been registered under a different surname at least.

Susan, what is Alfred Samuel's occupation on the marriage cert?

I do not know anything about my grandfathers adoption just that a lot of the family said he was adopted and came from Cork in Mallow..

All the family are dead now.

I tried to get the birth cert for the Alfred Goodwin from Limerick but there was no such
birth cert.

So I guess I will never find out as he might of been born with a different name.

Thank you for all your help.
Susan King.

I do not know anything about my grandfathers adoption just that a lot of the family said he was adopted and came from Cork in Mallow..

All the family are dead now.

I tried to get the birth cert for the Alfred Goodwin from Limerick but there was no such
birth cert.

So I guess I will never find out as he might of been born with a different name.

Thank you for all your help.
Susan King.

thank you for all your help. My Grandmother was Florence Mary Mason.
her family was George, Charles, Patrick, Florence ,Rosetta, Maisie and Walter.
My Grandfather was Alfred Goodwin.
It says on my Grandparents Marriage cert that his father was Alfred Samuel Goodwin
I do not know much about my Grandfathers adoption but I was told his surname was Quinn and he came from Cork in Ireland that is all I know. I was told his parents may of drowned in a boat accident that is all I know.

Susan Bicknell King..

192.com and searchelectoralroll each have two addresses for only one Rosetta Pawley (I assume it's just one person) - both in Eastbourne. An old address, and a newer one up to 2013.

No indication of age on the free search.


Sidney Albert Pawley
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Sidney Albert Pawley
Birth Date: 11 Jun 1919
Date of Registration: Aug 1990
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Eastbourne
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 349

Maisie's siblings marriages and deaths.........


Marriages Jun 1935 (>99%)
Goodwin George A Parris Wandsworth 1d 1398
Parris Florence A Goodwin Wandsworth 1d 1398

George Alfred Goodwin in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: George Alfred Goodwin
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1907
Date of Registration: Aug 1989
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Kingston Upon Thames
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 13
Page: 1598


Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%)
Goodwin Harry P Green Wandsworth 1d 1381
Green Edith M Goodwin Wandsworth 1d 1381


Harry Patrick Goodwin in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Harry Patrick Goodwin
Birth Date: 9 Nov 1909
Date of Registration: Feb 1987
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 9
Page: 379

(Harry and his wife Edith are on the 1956--1963 Electoral Registers living at 94 Foss Road, Wandsworth......Next door to his parents at No 96)


Marriages Mar 1940 (>99%)
Goodwin Charles W Parris Wandsworth 1d 1424
Parris Grace L Goodwin Wandsworth 1d 1424

(I'm not seeing an appropriate death for Charles)


Marriages Mar 1935 (>99%)
Goodwin Florence H Parris Wandsworth 1d 767
Parris Edward Goodwin Wandsworth 1d 767

Florence Helen Parris in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Florence Helen Parris
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1915
Date of Registration: May 1994
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Register Number: E67A
District and Subdistrict: 2561E
Entry Number: 89


Marriages Mar 1940 (>99%)
Goodwin Rosetta M Pawley Wandsworth 1d 1277
Pawley Sidney A Goodwin Wandsworth 1d 1277

(I'm not seeing a death for Rosetta.....perhaps she died some time after 2007....or she is still living?)

A possible late marriage for Walter......

??
Walter E Goodwin in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Walter E Goodwin
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1980
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Surrey
Spouse: Rachel T Spanier
Volume Number: 15
Page Number: 0984

There is a Walter E and Rachael T Goodwin on the 2002---2007 Electoral Roll, but I don't have access to view the address.

Do get back to us on here when you have the certificate Susan.

You still didn't answer the question as tho whether you know who your Grandfathers adoptive parents were??

Thank you for all your help.
My mother Maisie Goodwin Bicknell. Had a brother George and Patsy which must of been Henry Patrick. Also Charles William and Florence and Rosetta.
I will send for my Grandfathers marriage cert to see will it show his parents.

Thank You
Susan Bicknell King.

Actually Susan.......your Grandfather married Florence Mary Mason.

Mason being her maiden name.

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
Goodwin George A Mason Wandsworth 1d 1854
Mason Florence M Goodwin Wandsworth 1d 1854

To make things clear.........

He appears as Alfred Goodwin on his Army Service Record...Alfred George Goodwin on one of the images.

He writes his name as George Goodwin on the 1911 census.(Giving his birth place as Battersea) He is with Florence and claims they had been married 5 years. In actual fact, they didn't marry until 1915 and they had 3 children out of wedlock.

George Alfred born 1907
Harry Patrick born 1909
Charles William born 1913

He married under the name of.......George A Goodwin.

He appears as George Alfred Goodwin on the Electoral Registers between 1919...1929 residing at 1 Rowlands Cottages.

He appears as Alfred G Goodwin on the Electoral Registers between 1956--1963 residing at 96 Foss Road, Wandsworth. (Which is possibly where they were living when he and Florence died?)

Edit: Just spotted Alfred G, Florence M and son Walter E on the 1964 and 1965 Electoral Register.......living at 266 Garrat Lane, Wandsworth.


On the 1939 register, he gives his name as Alfred G Goodwin and his date of birth as......29th May 1886.

His death was registered in the name of... Alfred G Goodwin in 1967.


If you can give us the names of his adoptive patents, we might be able to find him on the 1891 and 1901 census records to see what if gives as his place of birth,

My Grandfather was married to Florence mary Goodwin.
My mother is there daughter Maisie Goodwin Bicknell.She was born 18/5/1920.

Hello Susan

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Prickles. x

Ah.......I was searching Bicknall and not Bicknell.

Found them now.

Looks like i am on the right track then!

;-)

It would be interesting to know who George named as his father on the marriage certificate.

Do you have a copy of your Grandparents marriage cert Susan?

If not, the best place to purchase certificates is online here........

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

They cost £9 25p

I ask again.......do you know the names of your Grandfathers adoptive parents ??