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Can anyone help - I know that George H .Bidder b.1839 married Sarah A. Freeman in 1866 and spent a short time in U.S.A. as his eldest son Alfred G was born there in 1867. In 1870 George H. was a patient at the Devon and Exeter Hospital and he died in September 1870 aged 31.
I can find no record of their sailing and no immigration records. Ellis Island was not in existence in 1867 so my guess is that they probably arrived through Castle Garden/Clinton!
I cannot find the cause of George's death at such an early age but wonder if he contracted typhus or cholera during the passage as condition for passenger were extremely unsanitary.
Regards Patricia.

this is George's death



George Hunter Bidder

England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

Name George Hunter Bidder
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year 1870
Registration District Plympton St Mary
County Devon
Event Place Plympton St Mary, Devon, England
Age (available after 1866) 31
Birth Year (Estimated) 1839
Volume 5B
Page 161
Line Number 89

Alfred with grandparents in 1871



Alfred G Bidder

England and Wales Census, 1871

Name Alfred G Bidder
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Shaugh Prior, Devonshire, England
Enumeration District 23
Gender Male
Age 4
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Birthplace United States
Entry Number 22
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/2111/0038



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Eleanor Bidder Head F 68 Sunderland, Durham
Eleanor M Bidder Daughter F 24 Shaugh Prior, Devonshire
Alfred G Bidder Grandson M 4 United States
William A Bidder Grandson M 2 Cornwood,

with he's mother in 1881


Event Date 1881
Event Place Ermington, Devon, England
Registration District Plympton St Mary
Residence Note Chapel Rd
Gender Male
Age 14
Marital Status (Original) Single
Occupation Carpenter Apprentice
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Birthplace America
Page Number 4
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 2186/73
Affiliate Record Type Household



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Sarah A Bidder Head F 37 Ringmore, Devon, England
Alfred G Bidder Son M 14 America
William A Bidder Son M 12 Ivybridge, Devon, England

Alfred G Bidder

England and Wales Census, 1891

Name Alfred G Bidder
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Devon
Parish Ermington
Ecclesiastical Parish ST JOHNS
Registration District Plympton St Mary
Residence Note Fore Street
Gender Male
Age 24
Marital Status Single
Occupation Carpenter
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Birthplace U S America British Subject
Page Number 20
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 1721/ 72



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Sarah A Blackmore Head F 64 Devonshire, England
Lizzie C Blackmore Daughter F 27 Devonshire, England
Sarah A Bidder Lodger F 47 Devonshire, England
Alfred G Bidder Lodger M 24 U S America British Subject

George Alfred Bidder
Vermont Vital Records
Name George Alfred Bidder
Event Type Birth
Event Date 17 Feb 1867
Event Place Vermont, United States
Gender Male
Father's Name George Bidder
Mother's Name Sarah


father george is a carpenter

Ancestry has this:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957?

Passenger Lists
Name: Geo H Bidder

I don't have the right membership to view it; maybe someone who has could.

Edit: there is also a record for a Sarah Ann Bidder in the above Lists.

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First name(s) George H.
Last name Bidder
Sex Male
Age 27
Birth year 1839
Occupation Unknown
Departure port Liverpool
Departure country Ireland
Destination port New York
Destination state New York
Arrival year 1866
Arrival date 10-Jul-1866
Ship name City Of London
NARA publication number M237
Record set New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from United States

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First name(s) Sarah Ann
Last name Bidder
Sex Female
Age 24
Birth year 1842
Occupation Unknown
Departure port Liverpool
Departure country Ireland
Destination port New York
Destination state New York
Arrival year 1866
Arrival date 10-Jul-1866
Ship name City Of London
NARA publication number M237
Record set New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from United States

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First name(s) Eleanora
Last name Bidder
Sex Female
Age 01
Birth year 1865
Occupation Child, Youngster
Departure port Liverpool
Departure country Ireland
Destination port New York
Destination state New York
Arrival year 1866
Arrival date 10-Jul-1866
Ship name City Of London
NARA publication number M237
Record set New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from United States

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Thank you all so much for your prompt replies.
I have traced my husband's family tree back to 1792.
He has a big birthday coming up and I would like to present him with a complete family history and this has helped me so much.
If anyone can help further, I would be most grateful.
Regards Patricia. :-)

The death cert will give you George's cause of death.

what else is it you want to know?

http://tinyurl.com/zc98erj

(Passenger List image above from FamilySearch, if you don't have access to Ancestry or Find My Past)

Chris :)

William A Bidder

England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

Name William A Bidder
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1967
Registration District Tavistock
County Devon
Event Place Tavistock, Devon, England
Age (available after 1866) 98
Birth Year (Estimated) 1869
Volume 7A
Page 850
Line Number 116

William A Bidder

England and Wales Census, 1891

Name William A Bidder
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Devon
Parish Shaugh Prior
Ecclesiastical Parish SHAUGH PRIOR
Registration District Plympton St Mary
Residence Note Higher Collard
Gender Male
Age 22
Marital Status Single
Occupation Clay Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Nephew
Birth Year (Estimated) 1869
Birthplace Devonshire, Joybridge
Page Number 9
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 1724/ 27



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Richard Lovers Head M 40 Devonshire, England
Eleanor M Lovers Wife F 44 Devonshire, England
Richard M Lovers Son M 8 Devonshire, England
Eleanor J Lovers Daughter F 10 Devonshire, England
William A Bidder Nephew M 22 Devonshire, Joybridge

Name William A Bidder
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Shaugh Prior, Devonshire, England
County Devonshire
Civil Parish Shaugh Prior
Ecclesiastical Parish Shaugh Prior St Edward King & Martyr
Sub-District Plympton
Registration District Plympton St Mary
Gender Male
Age 32
Occupation CHINA CLAY LABOURER
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1869
Birthplace Ivybridge, Devonshire
Schedule Type 63
Page Number 11



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

William A Bidder Head M 32 Ivybridge, Devonshire
Evelina A Bidder Wife F 31 Shaugh Prior, Devonshire
Gwendoline M Bidder Daughter F 7 Shaugh Prior, Devonshire
William F Bidder Son M 6 Shaugh Prior, Devonshire
Minnie L Bidder Daughter F 1 Shaugh Prior, Devonshire

Williams marriage



William Arthur Bidder

England, Devon, Parish Registers

Name William Arthur Bidder
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 1893
Event Place Devon
Spouse's Name Evelina Alice Lavers

Hi Malyon,
Thank you so much for your previous help.
You asked what more i needed to know - I now know that when George and Sarah sailed to the U.S. they took their year old daughter Eleanora with them!
In the census of 1871 which took place 6 months after George died, their son Alfred G b.1867 in U.S.A and William A. born in Shaugh Prior after their return to U.K. were living with their grandmother. Sarah was living alone. I can find no record of Eleanora.
Did she return to the U.K with them? I can find no record of her marriage or death.
Regards Patricia.

Hi Safc,
Thank you for your previous help,
I wonder if you could help further? I can't find any record of Eleanora Bidder b.1865.( in fact I had no idea of her existence until you found her name on the passenger list of the City of London!)
I can find no record of her birth, marriage or death. Did she travel back to the U.K. with George and Sarah?
I would be most grateful for any further assistance you can give.
Regards Patricia.