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Thanks Shirley,
It certainly looks like you're right about my grandfather Hector.
His baptism record has him as Hector James, although the date says June 25th 1898. His actual birthday was July 25th 1898 as far as I know but the baptism record also has another date crossed out for his birth so there may have been some mistakes during the baptism.
Maybe my nan deliberately left his middle name off the death registration for a reason .... i.e. she knew he wasn't really Macdonald as everyone thought ?
It looks like I'm finally on the right track now.
Regards ....... Gary

1911'census
Name: George Davey
Age in 1911: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Deptford St Nicholas
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 92 Grove Street, Deptford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: CAR MAN GENERAL CARRIER
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Deptford East
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 2640
Household Members:
Name Age
George Davey 46
Mary Davey 46
Violet Davey 14
Hector Davey 12
Charles Davey 9
Victor Davey 4
Stanley Davey 3

Married 29 years 18 children born 10 still living
How sad they lost 8 children

With the father named as George Robert Davey that confirms the 1901 census with Hector listed as Hector J

So somewhere along the line he decided to change his second name to Macdonald

Whoever reg his death only quoted one christian name

It certainly looks like his birth wasn't reg too

SAFC - Abby,
Today I received the wedding certificate for my grandparents Hector and Grace.
I will try to scan it tommorrow but the details are :
Date married : 25/04/1931
Name of Male : Hector Macdonald Davey. ( I always thought it was McDonald)
Age 30 ( Doesn't fit with the year of birth I have 1998 )
Profession : Chocolate Maker. ( I remember my grandfather used to give us easter eggs he said were from the chocolate factory he worked in. This was in the mid 1960's )
Residence at time of marriage : 4 cockles Cottages, Speedwell Street, Deptford.
Father : George Robert Davey

Name of female : Grace Tedman
Age : 26 years.
Profession : Domestic Cook.
Residence : 110 Rectory Buildings, Deptford.
Father : William Ernest Tedman (Deceased). ( Could this be Ernest William ?)
Both fathers are listed as having the profession of CARMAN. (?)
Married in Deptford Registry Office.

As I think I mentioned in an earlier post, there were rumours that my grandfather (Hector Davey) had some sort of secret regarding his past but I still do not know what it may be.
Does it look a little strange that my grandparents didn't get married 'till he was 30 years old and my grandmother was 26 ......... I always thought that people got married quite young in those days.
Anyway, it's time for bed.
Regards ........... Gary

Thanks also to heyjude and chrisho.
My grandfather Hector definitely worked in a chocolate factory in the mid 1960's as I can remember him bringing chocolate home for us at easter. The family always said that he had made the easter eggs at work.
And after Hector died in Bellingham, Catford his wife, Grace, moved to Ashford , Kent. She died there in '86.
Like you, heyjude, I cannot find anything about his birth though.
Happy new year to you all.
I'll try again in 2017.
Regards .... Gary. ooops it IS 2017

Thanks greyghost,
I know My grandmother Grace had a sister called Alice but am unaware of an Elsie.
There were also sisters Winifred and Beatrice who I used to meet a lot when I was a child.
Looks like her husband Ernest Tedman died in 1907 and she marries a Frank Steggall in 1910.
Between the marriages Rachel goes in and out of a workhouse with some of her children but never all of them at the same time.

Regards ......... Gary

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CROCKER, RACHEL ANDREWS Order
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 928

Other children showing on 1891 census show on GRO online as having mmn as Andrews

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England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name CROCKER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1862
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ GEORGE CROCKER married one of these people
SOPHIA GOODENOUGH, EMMA ANDREWS
District ST. GEORGE SOUTHWARK
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 179

The marriage certificate of Ernest and Rachel should confirm her Father's name and occupation, but area fits

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Haymerle Road, Camberwell, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Crocker Head Married Male 51 1840 Boiler Fitter Deptford, Kent, England
Emma Crocker Wife Married Female 52 1839 - Kensal Green
David Crocker Son Single Male 15 1876 Apprentice Sealing Warehouseman Deptford, Kent, England
Joseph Crocker Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Deptford, Kent, England
Rachael Crocker Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Deptford, Kent, England
Stephen Crocker Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Deptford, Kent, England

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) ERNEST WILLIAM
Last name TEDMAN
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1898
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ERNEST WILLIAM TEDMAN married
RACHEL CROCKER
District CAMBERWELL
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 1704

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cooks Cottages, 2, St George the Martyr Southwark, St Saviour Southwark, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ernest Tedman Head Married Male 28 1873 Night Watchman (Mineral Water Co) New Cross, Surrey, England
Rachel Tedman Wife Married Female 19 1882 - Deptford, Kent, England
Elsie Tedman Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Camberwell, Surrey, England
Alice Tedman Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Hector j is definitely your's from the baptism. But I cannot find a birth registered for him. He must have changed his middle name to McDonald. And baptism, 1939 and death all sort of match for dob.

Jude

Hello to everyone here and many thanks for all the answers.
I'm still working my way through all of them but I did originally discount the Hector J and the South Shields listings although you can never be sure.
I have received a birth certificate for Hector's wife Grace which says that she is definitely Grace Tedman daughter of Ernest William Tedman and Rachel Tedman (formally Crocker). Rachel is certainly proving hard to find at the moment.
I'm still waiting for the marriage certificate for Hector and Grace.
Here's hoping.
Regards .......... Gary

(google brought below, in case relating)

Chris :)

http://thorndike.one-name.net/getperson.php?personID=P4915&tree=Thorndike

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------------
Davey George Robert St.Olave 1d 486
Thorndyke Florence Emily St.Olave 1d 486


1939 Register (Find My Past)

50 Westlake Road , Bermondsey, London
George R Davey 03 Dec 1885 Male Stevedore Heavy Worker Married
Florence E Davey 14 Feb 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Cyril Davey 26 Aug 1916 Male Capstan Lathe Hand Single
Stanley Davey 18 May 1923 Male Solicitors Clerk Single


Deaths Jun 1956 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
Davey George R 70 Bermondsey 5c 120

(that Marriage on Ancestry, London, matches 1901 Maynard Road)

:-)

Address at baptism of Hector matches 1901 census

Jude

(last added Marriage Jude)

More Baptisms on Ancestry, for George Robert/Mary, haven't got time to look at, at the moment!, apologies)

Chris :)

Ref Kathleen's post...

The only birth I can find (from that census) that fits with MMN of Brown is Stanley. There are births for Violet, Victor and Charles in the right area but none with the MMN of Brown. :-S

The 1901 census yields a bit more with entries for Alfred (Ernest) and George (Robert) with MMN Brown.

Nothing for Florence M or Gladys.

There are at least nine baptisms and of them, only George Robert seems to have been registered.

There are no entries MMN Brown for (at least as far as I can see)

Charles 1902
Elizabeth Anna 1896
Charles James 1889
Louisa 1903
Albert Arthur 1905
Hector James 1898
Gladys 1893
Florence Mary 1887
Victor 1907
Violet Irene 1898



Jude

The South Shields one died 07 April 1979 in Whitley Bay..born and died as DAVY

DOB 01 September 1900

Your Hector was living in Lewisham until at least 1962; so I would say he wasn't born Hector MacDonald Davey

Death registration gives DOB as 25 July 1898 but can't find a birth to go with it - and this fits with the chocolate maker in 1939.

Best I can see for Grace is a May 1904 birth that matches a 1987 death in Ashford. But she's not with him in 1939. She is with him on the electroal rolls though.

Jude

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D2089853

Medal card of Davey, Hector M
Royal West Kent Regiment GS/8632 Private

(War Reference)

(as below, Ancestry)

Hector McDonald Davey
Private Queen's Own (Royal West Kent) Regiment GS/8632 British War Medal and Victory Medal

Chris :)

(if him below)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

5 Hatley Close , Lewisham, London,
Hector M Davey 23 Jul 1898 Male Chocolate Maker Married


(1901 image has Hector J 9mths)

1901 Census taken 31 March


(Brother, on 1901)

1939 Register

46 Windmill Lane , Deptford, London,
Alfred E A Davey 28 Sep 1883 Male Stevedore Heavy Worker Married
S E (Emily) Davey 27 Nov 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
A (Alfred) Davey 18 Jan 1920 Male Clerk Tin Factory Single 53 3 M (Winifred,W) Morris (Spurr) 14 Mar 1924 Female Clerk Paint Factory Single


Births Dec 1883 (>99%)
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Davey Alfred Ernest A Greenwich 1d 976


Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
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AMOS Emily Sarah E Greenwich 1d 1834
DAVEY Alfred Ernest Greenwich 1d 1834

All London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

(Father George Robert Davey, occ. Carman. Residence at Time, 27, Sayes Street, Deptford)


London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)

Name: Hector James Davey
Baptism Date: 7 Dec 1900
Father's name: George Robert Davey
Mother's name: Mary Ann Davey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Barnabas
(Born June 25th 1899 8, changed from December?)


Deaths Jun 1974 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
DAVEY Hector 25JY1898 Lewisham 14 584


Marriages Jun 1931 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Davey Hector M Tedman Deptford 1d 1805
Tedman Grace Davey Deptford 1d 1805

I think this is the same family in 1901 but Hector'as middle initial is given as "J":-

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
40, Maynard Road, Rotherhithe, St Olave Southwark, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

George R Davey Head Married Male 39 1862 General Carman Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Mary A Davey Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Deptford, Kent, England
Alfred E Davey Son Single Male 17 1884 Dock Laborer Deptford, Kent, England
George R Davey Son Single Male 15 1886 - Deptford, Kent, England
Florence M Davey Daughter Single Female 14 1887 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Gladys Davey Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Eliza A Davey Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Violet I Davey Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Deptford, Kent, England
Hector J Davey Son Single Male 0 1901 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

Could this be Hector in the 1911 census (living in Deptford which seems right)? :-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
92 Grove St Deptford, St Nicholas Deptford, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

George Davey Head Married Male Carman General Carrier 46 1865 Bermondsey London
Mary Davey Wife Married Female - 46 1865 Deptford London
Violet Davey Daughter Single Female - 14 1897 Deptford London
Hector Davey Son Single Male - 12 1899 Rotherhithe London<<<<<<<<<<<<
Charles Davey Son Single Male - 9 1902 Rotherhithe London
Victor Davey Son Single Male - 4 1907 Rotherhithe London
Stanley Davey Son Single Male - 3 1908 Deptford London

Possible marriage for the parents in this family (the census image gives George as having a middle name of Robert):-

First name(s) GEORGE ROBERT
Last name DAVEY
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1883
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ GEORGE ROBERT DAVEY married
MARY ANN BROWN
District ST. OLAVE SOUTHWARK
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 351
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008

Kath. x

Ok Abby,
Will do, thanks for your help.

Regards ...... Gary