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Hi, I am trying to trace Andrew Waddell travelled to Egypt from Scotland with his wife Ann Waddell in the 1860s, he was an Engineer, and his 3 children were born there. Andrew died in Egypt in 1878. Also trying to trace James Arthur Waddell his son born in Maharaaka, Egypt in 1867 as stated in the family bible.

Would like to know why Andrew was in Egypt find where he is buried and also death certificate for him he died 1878 and wanting the birth certificate for James Arthur Waddell born 1867. Am also trying to find passenger lists in and out of Egypt at this time. Any help appreciated. Thank you :-)

Unless the birth and death was reg with the British consulate it's unlikely you will ind the certs

Online travel info doesn't start till 1890 I,m afraid

An ancetrsy tree has his birth as 23.8. 1867, and births of half siblings back in Scotland from 1878

Another tree has

James Arthur Waddell
BIRTH: 23/08/1867 (23 Aug 1867) - Egypt
DEATH: 05/08/1934 (5 Aug 1934) - Wellington, New Zealand
MARRIAGE: 1893 - Sydney, New South Wales
PARENTS: Andrew John Waddell, Ann Young McArthur
SPOUSE: Daisy Dawson Parker

Name: James Arthur Waddell
Death Date: Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
Registration Place: Wellington, Wellington, New Zealand
Folio Number: 2672

James Waddell
Birth Date: abt 1870
Death Age: 64
Death Date: 5 Aug 1934
Death Place: Karori, Wellington
Burial Place: Wellington, New Zealand


James Arthur Waddell
Gender: Male
Marriage Year: 1907
Marriage Place: New Zealand
Spouse: Daisy Dawson Parker
Relation: Bridegroom
Folio Number: 6165

James A Waddell
in the New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
James A Waddell
Birth Year: abt 1868
Age: 13
Gender: Male
Arrival Date: 10 Jan 1881
Vessel Name: Glamis
With Ann aged.37 Born Lanark
David aged 11 born Egypt
Hugh aged.5 Born Egypt

Andrew John Waddell
Waddell Family Tree

Birth: 17/03/1844 (17 Mar 1844) - Scotland
Marriage: 1865 - Glasgow, Scot (Scotland)
Death: 23/08/1878 (23 Aug 1878) - Egypt
Spouse: Ann Young McArthur

So looks to have travelled to Egypt soon after the marriage as son james was born there in c1868

So his occupation on the marriage cert may hold the clue as to why he went to Egyot

Looking at the results on Scotland's People - the marriage was in the Patrick RD of Glasgow. Surname spelt Waddle as in 1861 census

Surname Forename Spouse Surname Spouse Forename Year Ref Entry Number RD Name Image View
MCARTHUR ANN WADDLE ANDREW 1865 646/2 139 139 Partick

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So this could well be Andrew in 1861, recorded as an Engine Smith.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Whiteinch, Govan, Partick, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Waddle Head Married Male 42 1819 Clock & Watch Maker Roxburghshire, Scotland
Mary Waddle Wife Married Female 42 1819 - Perthshire, Scotland Transcription
Andrew Waddle Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Engine Smith Roxburghshire, Scotland
James Waddle Son Unmarried Male 14 1847 Rivet Heater Roxburghshire, Scotland
Peter Waddle Son Unmarried Male 11 1850 Message Boy Roxburghshire, Scotland

Google brings up a number of engineering works in Egypt around the time the family emigrated

Marriage certificate - 6th October at 29 Monkland Street, Patrick after Banns according to the -- of the Free Church of Scotland
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/view-image/nrs_stat_marriages/3930938

Andrew Waddle Bachelor age 24 an Engineer ? 29 Monkland Street, Patrick.
Father James Waddle ? Clockmaker. Mother Mary Waddle - maiden surname Sims
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Ann McArthur age 22 ?? Occupation Spinster Same address.
Father Peter McArthur Ship's Carpenter and Mother Jane McArthur - maiden surname Ross

This is the Andrew 17.3.1844 (Scotland's People OPR baptisms) so not yours.

Surname Forename Parents/ Other Details Age Date Parish Number Ref Parish Image View

WADDEL ANDREW GEORGE WADDEL/MARGARET KING FR243 (FR243) 0 17/03/1844 639/ 20 33 Dalziel

With parents in Dalziel 1851 and in 1861 noted as a Pupil Teacher

and 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Andrew
Last name Waddell
Relationship Prisoner
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 27
Birth year 1844
Occupation Teacher
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed DALZIELL
Birth county Lanarkshire
Birth county as transcribed LANARKSHIRE
Birth place Scotland
Birth place other as transcribed SCOTLAND
House name -
Street -
Parish East Church Parish
Town -
City -
County Perthshire
Country Scotland
Registration district Perth General Prison For Scotland

The Suez Canal was built between 1859-1869.

"In 1858, the Universal Suez Ship Canal Company was formed and given the right to begin construction of the canal and operate it for 99 years, after which time, the Egyptian government would take over control of the canal. At its founding, the Universal Suez Ship Canal Company was owned by French and Egyptian interests.

Construction of the Suez Canal officially began on April 25, 1859. It opened ten years later on November 17, 1869, at a cost of $100 million."

Not sure if a British engineer would have been involved though.

EDIT: Also a period of rail expansion in Egypt:

"In the same period, Egypt acquired a wide network of railways belonging to the state. Until 1860, Egypt had only one railway, Alexandria-Cairo, 210 kilometres long (with a branch line to Zagazig 35 kilometres long). [The line between Cairo and the Suez, which had been built in 1856-57, was unfit for use.] Then in fifteen years (1861-75) of intensified railway construction in Egypt, 1,590 kilometres of railway were laid. In this respect Egypt outstripped several advanced capitalist countries. In France, for instance, in 1876, there were 37.5 kilometres of railway per 1,000 square kilometres of land, while in Egypt there were 55 kilometres of railway per 1,000 square kilometres of populated territory. [Not counting deserts, which were uninhabited and without railways.]

Modern means of communication grew. Up to 1863, Egypt had 582 kilometres of telegraph lines. By 1872, she had 6,450 kilometres, outstripping several advanced countries. In 1878, France had 77 kilometres of telegraph lines per 1,000 square kilometres of land. Egypt had 216 kilometres. France had 11.33 kilometres of telegraph lines per 10,000 of the population; Egypt had 12.25 kilometres.

Towns sprang up. Not less than 20 per cent of the Egyptian population lived in 113 urban centres. Cairo had a population of 350,000, Alexandria – 212,000, Tanta – 60,000 and Zagazig – 40,000. Gas and water mains and sewers were laid in Cairo.

Egyptian industry moved ahead. Ismail Pasha, the ruler of Egypt, owned two weaving mills near Cairo, in which over. 400 workers were employed, and 22 big sugar refineries with a capacity of 150,000 tons of sugar a year, where about 10,000 workers were employed. In addition, Ismail Pasha owned four arms factories, two dockyards, employing 500 workers, and saltpetre mines. Many private industrial enterprises were founded in Egypt, most of which were small textile mills, foundries and repair workshops, tanneries, creameries, cotton-cleaning mills and wood-working plants, steam mills and salt works. "

Did the son, David go to Australia? This could very well be his son going by his middle name. Sadly he died in 1917.


New South Wales Births Transcription
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First name(s) Andrew J Mcc
Last name Waddell
Birth year 1897
Registration year 1897
Denomination -
Registration district Annandale
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) David R
Mother's first name(s) Kate
Registration number 28870



First name(s) Andrew John Mcarthur
Last name Waddell
Service number 16134
Rank Private
Birth year 1898
Marital status Single
Occupation Engine-cleaner
Religion Church of England
Age at Embarkation 18
Embarkation year 1916
Embarkation date 11 Nov 1916
Embarkation regiment/unit Army Medical Corps
Unit information November, 1916, Reinforcements
Departure port Sydney, New South Wales
Ship name Hmat A29, Suevic
Enlistment date 07 Mar 1916
City Newcastle
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Next of kin's first name(s) K
Next of kin's last name Waddell
Next of kin title Mrs
Relationship Mother
Next of kin address 10 Henry-street, Wickham
Next of kin city Newcastle





WADDELL, ANDREW JOHN McARTHUR

Rank:
Private
Service No:
16134
Date of Death:
07/06/1917
Age:
19
Regiment/Service:
Australian Army Medical Corps

9th Field Amb.
Grave Reference:
I. B. 13.
Cemetery:
PONT-D'ACHELLES MILITARY CEMETERY, NIEPPE
Additional Information:
Son of David Ross Waddell and Kate Waddell, of 21, Harry St., Wickham, New South Wales. Native of Sydney.


The middle names of McArthur and Ross for his father appear to confirm that he was part of your family.

This appears to be the Andrew who married Ann McArthur. gg has posted the 1861 for them.



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Yetholm, Kelso, Roxburghshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
>>Andrew Waddle Head Married Male 84 1767 Tailor Sprouston, Roxburghshire, Scotland
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>>Marget Melrose Wife Married Female 60 1791 Tailor Wife Roxburghshire, Scotland
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Marget Waddle Daughter Unmarried Female 30 1821 Agr Lab Roxburghshire, Scotland
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John Baird Waddle Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Tailor Roxburghshire, Scotland
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>>Andrew Waddle Grand Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 Scholar Roxburghshire, Scotland
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Margt Waddle Grand Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1845 Scholar Roxburghshire, Scotland
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>>James Waddle Grand Daughter Unmarried Male 4 1847 Scholar Roxburghshire, Scotland


His parents and brother are here.



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Esskine Stables, Erskine, Upper Ward, Renfrewshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Andrew Waddle Head Married Male 28 1823 Shepherd Roxburghshire, Scotland
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Jessie Waddle Wife Married Female 24 1827 - Roxburghshire, Scotland
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Andrew Waddle Son - Male 2 1849 - Roxburghshire, Scotland
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Jessie Waddle Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Roxburghshire, Scotland
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Mary Waddle Niece - Female 8 1843 House Serv Roxburghshire, Scotland
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>>James Waddle Brother-In-Law Married Male 32 1819 Tailor Master Roxburghshire, Scotland
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>>Mary Waddle Sister Married Female 32 1819 Tailors Wife Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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>>Peter Waddle Nephew - Male 1 1850 - Roxburghshire, Scotland

I was looking at those census too Alviegal and am convinced it must be them - But by 1861 Father James is a Clock and Watch Maker?? Seems a big change of occupation, unless a hobby took over .............

Scotland Marriages 1561-1910 Transcription
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First name(s) James
Last name Waddle
Marriage year 1840
Marriage date 23 Oct 1840
Marriage place Yetholm,Roxburgh,Scotland
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Sim
Place Yetholm
County Roxburghshire


James' baptism.


First name(s) James
Last name Waddell
Gender Male
Birth year 1818
Birth place -
Baptism year 1818
Baptism date 28 Jul 1818
Baptism place YETHOLM, ROXBURGH, SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) Andrew
Father's last name Waddell
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Mother's last name Melross
Residence Yetholm, Roxburgh, Scotland
Place Yetholm

It is a big change in career gg but he seems to have gone into tailoring because his father was a tailor. Perhaps, as you speculate, his interest was in other things. The above marriage confirms his parents lived in Yetholm so it looks pretty likely that they are correct. I agree it does cast a bit of doubt on the matter though. :-(

Hi everyone,

Goodness you are all so good at your researching, I can confirm the following:

Ann McArthur Waddell emmigrated to Australia in 1881 on "The Glamis" with sons James Arthur Waddell aged 13, David Ross Waddell aged 11 and Hugh Waddell aged 5.

It gets hard as all the names are similar, it looks like the name changed from Waddle to Waddell somewhere along the line, which is confusing.

The below is correct, thank you Greyhost

Marriage certificate - 6th October at 29 Monkland Street, Patrick after Banns according to the -- of the Free Church of Scotland
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/view-image/nrs_stat_marriages/3930938

Andrew Waddle Bachelor age 24 an Engineer ? 29 Monkland Street, Patrick.
Father James Waddle ? Clockmaker. Mother Mary Waddle - maiden surname Sims
-
Ann McArthur age 22 ?? Occupation Spinster Same address.
Father Peter McArthur Ship's Carpenter and Mother Jane McArthur - maiden surname Ross

The above info I have never seen before but the names are definitely correct.

Hi Greyghost,

This one is not in my line

This is the Andrew 17.3.1844 (Scotland's People OPR baptisms)

Surname Forename Parents/ Other Details Age Date Parish Number Ref Parish Image View

WADDEL ANDREW GEORGE WADDEL/MARGARET KING FR243 (FR243) 0 17/03/1844 639/ 20 33 Dalziel

With parents in Dalziel 1851 and in 1861 noted as a Pupil Teacher

and 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Hi Alviegal,

This David R below is the one that arrived on "The Glamis" in 1881 aged 11, that is his son Andrew that died aged 19 and they are part of my line too.

Did the son, David go to Australia? This could very well be his son going by his middle name. Sadly he died in 1917.


New South Wales Births Transcription
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First name(s) Andrew J Mcc
Last name Waddell
Birth year 1897
Registration year 1897
Denomination -
Registration district Annandale
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) David R
Mother's first name(s) Kate
Registration number 28870

You have all helped me jump the brick wall in Egypt to find my ancestors in Scotland, I am getting closer now. I can't thank you all enough :-)

Thank you Kucinta that info on Egypt is very helpful :)