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AustinQ and PriklyHolly

Thank you so much for all that information. It will take a while to go through it properly, and add it to my records. I am really grateful for all your help
Jane.

The family in 1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Balsall Heath Edward Street, Kings Norton, Worcestershire, England

John Jones Male 20 1821 Machine maker
Margaret Jones Female 25 1816
William Jones Male 5 1836
Margaret Jones Female 3 1838
John Jones Male 9 months 1841
Robert Wilson Male 12 1829

possible death for mother, Margaret (John Fell Jones was also buried at Key Hill:

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Jones
Death year 1865
Burial year 1865
Cemetery Birmingham, Key Hill Cemetery
County Warwickshire
Country England
Source Warwickshire, Birmingham Burials, 1836-2010
Record set Warwickshire Burials
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JONES, MARGARET age: 57
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 164

Margaret and Thomas are living with their brother, William, in 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Miles Street, Aston, Warwickshire, England

William Jones Head - Male 35 1836 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Harriet Jones Wife - Female 36 1835 - Warwickshire, England
Alice Jones Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Warwickshire, England
Jane Jones Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Warwickshire, England
Isabella Jones Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Warwickshire, England
Margaret Jones Sister - Female 32 1839 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Jones Brother - Male 22 1849 - Warwickshire, England

Daughter Jane married 1870:

Name: Jane Jones (address given as Edgbaston)
Gender: Female
Age: Full
Marriage Date: 29 Dec 1870
Marriage Place: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew
Father: John Fell Jones (Mechanic)
Spouse: Thomas Bayliss

Witnesses: Thomas Jones & Pheobe Warrell
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Marriage for son Thomas:

Name: Thomas Jones (Living Edgbaston)
Gender: Male
Age: Full
Marriage Date: 2 Sep 1872
Marriage Place: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Edgbaston, St Bartholomew
Father: John Fell Jones (Engineer)
Spouse: Phoebe Worrall

Witnesses: Margaret Jones & William Henry Bayliss

Son William married 1858:

First name(s) William
Last name Jones
Marriage year 1858
Marriage date 22 Aug 1858
Marriage place Birmingham
Father's first name(s) John Fell
Father's last name Jones
Spouse's first name(s) Harriot
Spouse's last name Clark
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Clark
Residence Birmingham, Warwick, England

Baptism for john's daughter. Margaret

Name: Margaret Jones
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 May 1838
Baptism Date: 31 Oct 1858
Baptism Place: Saint Martin,Birmingham,Warwick,England
Father: John Fell Jones (Engine Fitter)
Mother: Margaret

Oh dear.

Possible siblings......

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Isabella Jones in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Isabella Jones
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1813
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1828
Baptism Place: Saint Martin,Birmingham,Warwick,England
Father: John Jones
Mother: Isabella

Eliza Jones in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Eliza Jones
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1817
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1828
Baptism Place: Saint Martin,Birmingham,Warwick,England
Father: John Jones
Mother: Isabella

Edit: Just found a Baptism record for John Fell, Eliza and Isabella Jones with an image......

Eliza Jones in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Eliza Jones
Age: 10
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1817
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1828
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Martin
Father: John Jones (Iron Caster) Bishopgate Street.
Mother: Isabella Jones

Isabella and John Fell Jones are on the same page with the same details......so definately siblings.

Birmingham Daily Gazette - Wednesday 26 November 1862

Suicide of a Publican.—
An inquest was held the Stone Cross, End, yesterday afternoon, Dr. Birl Davies, coroner, touching the death oi John Fell Jones, 46, engine fitter, who resided at 14, Chapel Street, where kept a public house.

It appeared from the evidence that on Friday, the21st inst, deceased and his wife retired to rest about twelve o'clock night. On awaking, about four o'clock on Saturday morning, Mrs. Jones found husband was gone. She immediately got up and went downstairs where she saw deceased hanging by his neckerchief in the tap room. She gave alarm; upon hearing which her three sons came down stairs, and one of them cut deceased down, when he was found to be quite dead. Deceased had exhibited signs of insanity for several weeks previous to his death, and scarcely ate any food, saying that his stomach was out of order, but he drank hard at times. He was usually very restless at night, and would get up two and three o'clock of a morning, and 'study'. Before he hung himself he lit the gas and unlocked all the inside doors the house. The wife told deceased, on Friday, that she would send for Dr Macpherson, as she thought he was not right in his head, when replied, 'Please do not.' These bring the facts of the case, the Coroner summed up and the jury returned a verdict of Suicide whilst in an unsound state of mind.”
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The public house he kept was called the 'Engineer's Arms' in Chapel Street

John Fell Jones committed suicide in 1862- so he won't be on the 1871 census:

Burial:
First name(s) John Fell
Last name Jones
Death year 1862
Burial year 1862
Cemetery Birmingham, Key Hill Cemetery
County Warwickshire
Country England

Isabella married in 1866 to George Williams. She lists her father as John Fill Jones and her address is given as Edgbaston:

Marriage:
Name Isabella Jones
Gender Female
Age Minor
Marriage Date 18 Jan 1866
Marriage Place Edgbaston, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears Edgbaston, St Bartholomew
Father John Fill Jones
Spouse George Williams
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Baptism for her father:
Name John Fill Jones
Age 12
Birth Date 11 Aug 1815
Baptism Date 28 Jul 1828
Baptism Place Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears Birmingham, St Martin
Father John Jones
Mother Isabella Jones

Please can someone see if they (John and Margaret) are on the 1841 census and also the 1871 census. I can't find them on either one. Thanks

Jane

Thanks for that Catherine. I knew the Jone's were going to be trouble.

All the best

Jane

Hello Catherine- good to see you smiling :-)

I might come back to this post tomorrow. My computer is running on 'dead slow' mode making any searching difficult today.

Just to confuse things further, there is also this baptism for a William Jones born in Manchester in 1837, father John:-

Name: William Jones
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 Apr 1837
Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1837
Baptism Place: Cooper Street-Late Oak Street-Calvinistic Methodism,Manchester,Lancashire,England
Father: John Jones
Mother: Margaret Evans
FHL Film Number: 0560890 (RG4 2558)


Name: William Jones
Birth Date: 2 Apr 1837
Birth Place: Salford, Manchester
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Jones
Mother: Margaret Evans
Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1837
Baptism Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Denomination: Calvinistic Methodist
Piece Title: Piece 2558: Manchester, Cooper Street, late Oak Street (Calvinistic Methodist), 1803-1837

...........mother is also Margaret but this time it's Evans.

This could of course be another family, or, John could have been married twice, to two different Margarets
........

..........just a personal hello to AustinQ :-)

Thanks Tiggit. so I think that rules out Margart Gill. Now All I need to find is a marriage between John Jones and Margaret Noble.

The first two children were born in Lancashire so are they from a previous marriage?? John Jones was born in Birmingham, I believe.

I will have to keep on investigating this.

Thanks again

jane

Hi Jane,

There is this marriage in 1838 for a Margaret Gill and John Jones:

Marriage: 16 Apr 1838 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
John Jones - (X), of full age, Throwster, Bachelor, Mumps Oldham
Margaret Gill - (X), a minor, Spinster, Mumps Oldham
Groom's Father: Thomas Jones, Well Sinker
Bride's Father: John Gill, Farmer
Witness: James Richardson, (X); Mary Gill, (X)
Married by Banns by: G B Sandford Curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1838, Page 181, Entry 362
Source: LDS Film 2356186

But Margaret is recorded as a minor so presumeably would have been under 21 years old which would make her birth year sometime after 1817 and the Margaret Jones in the census records above give her birth as c1811 so your Margaret ? and John Jones could have married earlier

Thank you AustinQ

I can now update my records with that information. All the best

Oh. That causes a problem. I thought Edwards parents were John Jones and Margaret Gill. (I have no proof of this) So you could well be right. I will have to look into this further. Thank you so much

Jane

Birth:

JONES, EDWARD Mother's maiden name: NOBLE
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in ASTON UNION Volume 16 Page 181

JONES, IZABELLA mother's maiden name: NOBLE
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in SOLIHULL UNION Volume 16 Page 461

Struggling to find births of the other children

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Warwick Road, Yardley, Solihull, Warwickshire, England

John Janes Head Married Male 35 1816 Engineer Birmingham, Warwickshire,
Margaret Janes Wife Married Female 40 1811 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Janes Son - Male 14 1837 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Margaret Janes Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire,
John Janes Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire
Edward Janes Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Jane Janes Daughter - Female 5 1846 - Yardley, Warwickshire,
Izabella Janes Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Yardley, Warwickshire,
Thomas Janes Son - Male 1 1850 - Yardley, Warwickshire,