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Thank you Jude and cheers to you too.

Husbands 4 x great grandfather was a hand loom weaver and poet and knew an acquaintance of Rabbie's very well. We have a copy of a drawing of our poet so I'll be raising a glass in memory our very own published poet :-) :-)

Glad you got the cert. at last

Well...I have Llewellyn and Evans in Wales.....and Irvine and Pattie in Scotland...

Smith and JOnes lol!!!! :-)

Jude

Not sure which is the worst Jude, Jones from Cardiff or Campbell's of Limavady!

Lol Ian you don't want to be trudging round churchyards in this weather and besides, it's highly unlikely there's a headstone to find

It is my daughter's birthday on Sunday.....so I will raise a glass to her and Robbie! And to you too Rootie :-)

Ian I wish you luck with Jones from Cardiff :-S

Jude

Cheers both,

Oh Claire, you tease....
I have loads of stuff to do this weekend... and now I'm now going to be thinking about crossing the Ebbw & searching St Basils; Ifors manor
" Llys Ifor hael, gwael yw'r gwedd, - yn garnau
mewn gwerni mae'n gorwedd;
drain ac ysgall mall a'i medd,
mieri lle bu mawredd." ~ Evan Evans....
Looking for John & his allusive wife.

& Rootgatherer, Cheers, :) & will do.
we'll be starting on my wifes side soon - Jones's ( from Cardiff) ~ Busnell's ( from Oxfordshire ) & Campbell's - ( of Limavady & no doubt before that Scotland.)

It's lovely to know that we've managed to solve the mystery between us so thanks for letting us know. Have fun with your John and Jacob and let us know if you're stuck.


PS Bassaleg maybe a clue!

Wonderful result then Ian. I do so love a success story.

Remember if you need any more help with this family just post on here.

I will think of you too on Burns night when I raise my glass. And I mean a glass! (For the uninitiated, we refer to a double measure as a glass here. Remember too that most of us Scots prefer to partake of alcohol in establishments that consider a "hauf" a 35ml measure equivalent to the old quarter gill and not the fifth or even sixth of a gill that used to be found South of the border.)

:-D ~~~~ Congratulation Claire, its a boy ..... your theory has been proven to be spot on,,,,, The certificate has arrived.....
- CYRIL HENRY, boy, 14th Sept. 1907, TyDu rd. Pontyminster. Risca. to JOHN ARTHUR GUNTER ( Ironworks Stocktaker ) - & FLORENCE ELLEN GUNTER formerly PALMER. ..............
Many thanks everyone, for all of your amazing digging. Very kind indeed.

Further, whilst i have been waiting for the certificate, I have been looking in to the Bakery history. It seems to me that as John & Edward Gunter both died in the same year 1922, it does seem quite likely that Florence may well have helped Amy or taken over the running of Edwards shop. But I haven't found anything that describes Edwards shop as a bakery?
However, I do have the two old pictures of the Bakers delivery vehicles. One old Van clearly says F.Thomas Baker & confectioner on the side, and its parked in front of Florence's bungalow on Gelli Ave. Risca.
But I have been puzzeling over the other vehicle, the presumably earlier horse & cart, which has a different name on its side panel ~ not Palmer, Gunter or Thomas?
( I have loaded both pictures in to Florence's details - If anyone wants to see - or I would be happy to send the higher resolution versions directly if anyone would like a better look?)
Anyway. I think I have resolved this one... there was a another baker, close by in St. Mary St. Risca, this was owned by Francis Sheddick. But according to the London Gazette, it went in to receivership in 1925, the year Florence (Gunter) married Edward Thomas.
Having found this, I'm pretty sure that the name on the cart is 'Sheddick' - SO.... either Florie started by helping Amy in Edwards shop after John & Edward died & then expanded by buying the Sheddick cart, & / or perhaps the remnants of the Sheddick business. Or possibly, she may have just bought / taken over the whole Sheddick bakery when it was closedown in 1925...
Florie, ran the 'F.Thomas', bakery with Cyril until the late 1930's when Cyril moved with Helena & their two boys to Bromsgrove.
Isn't all of this fun.... :-) I've now started putting lots of pictures onto my site, so there are lots of Florie & the others up there - ( and one which I'm pretty sure shows John & Cyril. ) please let me know if you want to give you access....
& of course I will put Cyrils birth Certificate up ASAP.
Thanks again everyone,
~ & Rootgatherer - I will tip a dram or two for Burns night in your honour. ...
Ian.

PS --- next task ~ heading back through Jacob & John Gunter b.circa 1816. ................ and beyond...

We'll see....
I just had a reply to my note asking them to cancel the second order & just continue with my third attempt...
Their note said that once an order was placed it could not be cancelled, so after all of this I may end up with two of them :-D
cheers all.

Glad you seem to have this sorted now Ian

Good stuff Ian. Looking forward to the outcome :-)

I've just sent off another form with the GRO info. added as you suggested.. Frankly it was obvious once I looked again, ( silly me...) armed with your explanation.... I've asked them via e-mail to cancel my second application & just process the third one... but never mind if thats not possible - a lesson learnt for the next time.... . - the process seems to be much quicker if you include the GRO info... which makes sense as, i assume it would narrow the search somewhat. the estimated despatch date is now the 24th of Jan.... So we shall see.
Thanks again.
Ian.

No problem Ian. I just wish we had told you before as we are all curious to know the details from Cyril's birth certificate.

Oh I see, Many thanks Rootgatherer, I wonder if I can access my application again then and update it...
I'll have a go.
Thanks again.
Ian.

Just checked Ian. On the first page where you select birth certificate and you enter the year, there is a bit near the bottom asking
Is the GRO index reference number known
If you select yes for this, then click submit, the next page is where you fill in
Name, volume number and page number.

Hope this helps should you need to order any more certificates.

I think, from memory Ian, there is a bit that asks if you have a reference number or something like that. When you click on that , it takes you to a page asking for the volume number and page number.

I'm sure someone with more experience in ordering English certificates will tell us if I'm wrong. Apart from my husband's Granny and a couple of my lot that defected, most of my research has been Scottish and further back Irish.

Thats what i thought Rootgatherer, and what i did last time, but when i tried again today, there were questions about his parents names, - so i tried that just incase it might make a difference??? - I could not see any where on the on-line form to type in the Volume or page number ?

best regards,
Ian.

Ian, if you are ordering from the GRO you only need to give the name, year, volume number and page number. You don't need to give any information about his parents.

Cyril Henry Gunter
REGISTRATION YEAR: 1907
REGISTRATION QUARTER: Oct-Nov-Dec
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Newport
INFERRED COUNTY: Monmouthshire
VOLUME: 11a
PAGE: 270


So, the details are
Name: Cyril Henry Gunter
Year: 1907
Quarter: December
Volume: 11a
Page: 270