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I am looking for a Joseph Lucas whose son John William Lucas was born 1843.
All I know on John William Lucas' death certificate 1920, was that his father was Joseph, with no details of partners name.

Where was this?...

Can you see Birth/Death for Son on below?...

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)


edits (nothing to do with below is it, from google search)

Bega NSW. Attached To: John William Lucas (1842-1920)

(seems so!)

20533/1920 LUCAS JOHN W (Father) JOSEPH BEGA

https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?3


The Cobargo Chronicle (NSW : 1898 - 1944) Saturday 23 October 1920 p 2 Article

Death of Mr. William J. Lucas
Lucas, an old and well known resident of Bega district, died somewhat suddenly on Monday morning at his...

(according to above article he was born in Lancashire England 1847, came to Australia aged 14 with some horses)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

The newspaper article referred to does say he left a widow and family ....

Robert, it would help us to help you if you could give a location for where events occurred.

from a tree on ancestry ???

John Willliam Lucas
irth
1847 • Lancashire England
1 Source
1847
(AGE)
Residence
1851 • Eccleston, Lancashire, England
Relation to Head of House: Son
1 Source
1851
4
Birth of Daughter Susannah Sheather(1866–1868)
1866 • Camden, , New South Wales, Australia
1866
19
Death of Daughter Susannah Sheather(1866–1868)
1868 • Camden, , New South Wales, Australia
1868
21
Marriage
23 Apr 1870 • Sydney, , New South Wales, Australia
Celia Augusta Sheather
Celia Augusta Sheather (1849–1937)
1870
23
Birth of Daughter Elizabeth Charlotte Lucas(1871–1975)
22 May 1871 • Newcastle, , New South Wales, Australia
1871
24
Birth of Son William James Lucas(1876–1908)
1876 • New South Wales, Australia
1876
28
Birth of Son John Charles Lucas(1878–1967)
1878 • Bombala, , New South Wales, Australia
1878
31
Birth of Son Rufus Sheather aka Reginald Lucas(1879–1918)
11 Nov 1879 • Camden, N.s.w.
1879
32
Birth of Son Walter Herbert Lucas(1881–1941)
23 May 1881 • Bibbenluke, , New South Wales, Australia
1881
34
Birth of Daughter Celia Augusta Lucas(1882–1954)
22 Jul 1882 • Bibbenluke, , New South Wales, Australia
1882
35
Birth of Son Albert Charles Lucas(1884–1893)
1884 • Bombala, , New South Wales, Australia
1884
36
Birth of Son Lancelot Edward Lucas(1885–1960)
15 Aug 1885 • Bombala, New South Wales, Australia
1885
38
Birth of Son Percy Theadore Lucas(1887–1964)
10 Jul 1887 • Bibbenluke, , New South Wales, Australia
1887
40
Birth of Daughter Kezia Eleanor Lucas(1889–1983)
9 Dec 1889 • Bombala N.s.w.
1889
42
Birth of Daughter Ellen Lucas(1890–)
1890
1890
43
Death of Son Albert Charles Lucas(1884–1893)
1893 • Bombala, , New South Wales, Australia
1893
46
Death of Son William James Lucas(1876–1908)
1908 • Goulburn, , New South Wales, Australia
1908
61
Death of Son Rufus Sheather aka Reginald Lucas(1879–1918)
1918 • N.Z.
1918
71
Death
19 Oct 1920 • Bega, , New South Wales, Australia

obituary

Death of Mr. William J. Lucas.
A well-known identity of the district, in the person of Mr. Wil liam John Lucas, aged 73 years, passed away at his home in Carr rington Lane, Bega, yesterday morning at 2.30, after a brief ill ness. Deceased left home for a load of wood shortly after noon on Saturday, going out past Mr. Curran's, on the river road: While gathering the wood he was seized with a violent pain and collapsed at about 2 o'clock. Two of Mr. W. Moran's children discovered him, and gave the alarm that a man was dying to Mr. Jim Dowling; who lost no time in getting a sulky and conveying deceased to his home. Dr. O'Reilly was summon ed and found the patient in a very low condition caused by gall stones and inflamation. There was no hope of recovery and he passed away at the time stated. Deceased was born in Lancashire, England, in 1847, and came to Australia at the age of fourteen with some horses (including Happy Joe') which were landed at Brisbane and he came on to Sydney. He was the first man to draw stone for the General Post Office building in Sydney. He spent ten years in Sydney and then went to Bibbenluke (Monaro), where for 13 years he was coach man to the late Mr. H.T. Edwards. Subsequently he came to this dis trict and worked for Mr. Orton and Mr. Wood. He was engaged at Yarranung for many years Later 0n he took to rabbit-trap ping in which he did well. All his life deceased had been an ac tive energetic man. He leaves a widow and a large grown-up family of sons and daughters, viz.: Mesdames J. Lawless (Orbost), C. Stewart (Dundindi), C. Hay (Bega), and Messrs. Henry, Lance, Percy (Bega). John (Moruya), and Walter (Delegate). Three sons, William, Rufus (who died from influenza in New Zealand) and Albert died some years ago.— ' Bega Standard.' 19./10/20.

a possibilty

Baptism: 22 Apr 1810 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Joseph Lucas - Son of Thomas Lucas & Alice
Born: 18 Mar 1810
Abode: Eccleston
Occupation: Cordwainer
Register: Baptisms 1810 - 1812, Page 2
Source: LDS Film 1657583

Burial: 2 Oct 1878 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Joseph Lucas -
Age: 65 years
Abode: Eccleston
Buried by: J. Barnacle Curate
Register: Burials 1874 - 1880, Page 149, Entry 1187
Source: LDS Film 1657598


Marriage: 19 Aug 1834 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Joseph Lucas - Watchmaker, bachelor, Prescot
Mary Edwardson - spinster, Prescot
Witness: Peter Hodkinson; Ann Hodkinson
Married by Banns by: John Edwards - Curate
Register: Marriages 1830 - 1837, Page 104, Entry 310
Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 12

Name:Celia Sheather
Birth Date:1849
Birth Place:New South Wales
Registration Year:1849
Registration Place:Camden, Oaks, Picton, Stonequarry, New South Wales, Australia

Father: James Sheather
Mother: Elizabeth <<<<<<<<<name differs on death index

Volume Number:V18491198 34A
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Name:Celia Sheather
Spouse Name:John William Lucks (Probably a transcription error)

Marriage Date:1870
Marriage Place:New South Wales
Registration Place:Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year:1870
Registration Number:374
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Name:Celia Augusta Lucas
Death Date:1937
Death Place:New South Wales

Father's name:James
Mother's name:Charlotte <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Registration Year:1937
Registration Place:Bega, New South Wales
Registration Number:14117

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A child for the couple which may indicate that Celia' mother was actually 'Elizabeth Charlotte


Name:Elizabeth Charlotte Lucas

Birth Date:1871
Birth Place:New South Wales
Registration Year:1871
Registration Place:Maitland, New South Wales, Australia

Father:John William Lucas
Mother:Celia

Registration Number:12621

Name: Joseph Lewis
[Joseph Lucas]
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Prescot
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Prescot
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 516
Book: 5
Folio: 5
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Lewis 28 ---- watch ???
Mary Lewis 29
Elizabeth Lewis 5
Jane Lewis 3
Joseph Lewis 3 Mo

MARY
Last name LUCAS
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1844
District PRESCOT
County Lancashire
Volume 20
Page 577
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

John William Lucas

England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name John William Lucas
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1842
Registration District Northampton
County Northamptonshire
Event Place Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Volume XV
Page 291
Line Number 26

A message from Robert:


You are right, the name on the marriage certificate is John William Luckes,
he probably could not spell his name. All other records of the marriage state the surname as Luck. I still have difficulty locating his father, as no parents names were registered on the marriage certificate. Joseph Lucas is a common name.


I have asked Robert to reply on here so that everyone can see the information

Different trees at Ancestry have conflicting information about John. One has him born in Sydney


Name:John W Lucas
Birth Date:1842
Birth Place:New South Wales
Registration Year:1842
Registration Place:Sydney (Parish not stated), New South Wales, Australia

Father:Thomas Lucas
Mother:Anne

Volume Number:V18422053 133
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Maybe his father was from Lancashire although the name on the marriage for him is Thomas



Name:Thomas Lucas
Age:29
Birth Year:Abt 1807

Spouse:Ann Huck

Request Status:Granted
Date of Permission/Refusal:5 Oct 1836

I have found the records I was searching for. Joseph Lucas 39 arrived Port Phillip 1851, aboard the ship "Slains Castle" With him was his wife Eliza Ann 36 his daughter also Eliza Ann 6 His son John William 4 (my GGGrandfather) and daughter Frances 2.

Thank you all for supporting me.

This family are from Maidwell in Northampton which is contrary to the information previously given/posted It might be an idea to tell us who your grandfather was, when/where he was born (if you're certain and have proof of this)


Name:Joseph Lucas
Estimated birth year:abt 1824 (37/9 on image)
Age:27
Arrival Date:15 Jan 1851
Arrival Port:Port Phillip Bay, Australia
Departure Port:Plymouth
Ship:Slains Castle
Nationality:English

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This looks like the couple


Name:Joseph Lucas
Birth Date:Abt 1813
Baptism Date:21 Oct 1813
Baptism Place:Maidwell, Northamptonshire, England
Age:0
Parish as it Appears:Maidwell
Register Type:Parish Registers
Father:Samuel Lucas <<School master
Mother:Frances Lucas
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Name:Eliza Ann Turland
Birth Date:10 Nov 1814
Gender:Female
Event Type:Baptism
Father:Thomas Turland
Mother:Catherine
Baptism Date:7 Nov 1820
Baptism Place:Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Denomination:Independent
Piece Title:Piece 1277: Northampton, Castle Hill Meeting (Independent), 1814-1827
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Marriages Jun 1840

LUCAS Joseph Northampton 15 437
TURLAND Eliza Ann Northampton 15 437
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Name:Eliza Ann Lucas Spouse:Joseph Lucas
Birth Year:abt 1815
Age:75
Death Date:11 Mar 1890
Death Place:Parkside
Residence Place:Parkside
Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number:193
Volume Number:184

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Family Notices

DEATH. Died at Young Street, Parkside, on 11th March, 1890 Eliza Ann Lucas, aged 75. Mrs. Lucas, whose death is recorded above, was the Bible Woman of the North East Bible Woman's Mission for fourteen years, namely, from 1875 to the end of 1889, The Committee of that Mission valued her very highly, and regretted that her serious illness obliged them to accept her resignation. During her office she endeared herself to many, who will remember and lament her long, and yet be glad that they knew one who was so active in good works, and in spite of illness, 80 sympathetic with other sufferers, who having met and overcome difficulties in her own life, could aid with advice and encouragement those who were in trouble, and grudging no time or labour in giving help. During her last illness, her cheerfulness 'was wonderful, with entire resignation to the will of God.
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Looks like Eliza Ann' parents

Thomas Turland[Tomas Turland]
Gender:Male
Event Type:Marriage
Marriage Date:18 Feb 1806
Marriage Place:Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England
Spouse:Catharine Southam
Parish as it Appears:Kingsthorpe

Siblings to John William:

Name:Thomas Turland Lucas
Birth Date:18 Feb 1852
Birth Place:Eyres Flat
Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Father:Joseph Lucas
Mother:Eliza Ann Turland
Page Number:341
Volume Number:3
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Name:Eva Lucas
Birth Date:24 Aug 1856
Birth Place:Eyres Flat
Registration Place:Morphett Vale, South Australia, Australia
Father:Joseph Lucas
Mother:Eliza Ann Turland
Page Number:98
Volume Number:9
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And this looks to be Joseph' parents marriage


Name:Samuel Lucas
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:24 Oct 1805
Marriage Place:Draughton, Draughton, England (parish of Maidwell on the image)
Event Type:Marriage
Spouse:Frances Green
Parish as it Appears:Draughton
Register Type:Parish Registers
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1841 Census

Name:Samuel Lucas <<School master
Age:60

Estimated birth year:abt 1781
Gender:Male
Where born:Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish:Maidwell
Hundred:Rothwell
County/Island:Northamptonshire
Registration district:Brixworth
Sub-registration district:Brixworth

Piece:809
Book:12
Folio:4
Page Number:3

Samuel Lucas 60
Frances Lucas 60
Elizabeth Lucas 20
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1851 Census

Name:Samwell Lucas <<School master (widower)
Age:73

Estimated birth year:abt 1778
Relation:Head
Gender:Male

Where born:Maidwell, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish:Maidwell

County/Island:Northamptonshire
Registration district:Brixworth
Sub-registration district:Spratton

ED, institution, or vessel:7
Household schedule number:26
Piece:1742
Folio:477
Page Number:8

Samwell Lucas 73
Mary Lucas 30
Elizabeth Lucas 28

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FRANCES
Last nameLUCAS

Birth year1782
Death year1846

Age64
Burial year1846

Burial day30
Burial month3

PlaceMAIDWELL
Church descriptionST MARY
Church denominationANGLICAN
CountyNorthamptonshire
Record setNational Burial Index for England & Wales

CategoryBirth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
SubcategoryDeaths & burials
Collections fromGreat Britain

I did find the arrival in Adelaide, but your research is incredible. For many years I was mistaken with a Benjamin Lucas from Ireland. Now everything is clear. I cannot thank you enough

To Gins, you did ask about my grandfather. He was John Charles Lucas B1878, the son of John William Lucas
Married Mabel Jane Wilbers B1884 in Bombala NSW 1902.
This the area where my father Hugh John Edward Lucas was born.

Rob, you're welcome

We got there in the end! x

New thread started by Robert today:

John William Lucas

Born about 1848 Lancashire England. Arrived Brisbane Australia 1862 age 14, apparently accompanied some horses imported from England. Records relating to arrival apparently lost in a flood in Brisbane. I need some information regarding the ship and if someone has details of parents, father Joseph according to obituary.
Worked in Sydney on the GPO construction and married Celia Augusta Sheather.
Arrival in Australia is a mystery. Most of married life in Bombala NSW.


Advised to keep everything on this thread.

Re the ship -

Have you Googled the ship name? There's a fair bit about it:

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Bre02Whit-t1-body-d1-d1-d19.html

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Bre02Whit-t1-body-d2-d3-d3.html

http://tinyurl.com/zjawggu

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/SlainsCastle.htm

http://www.yesteryears.co.nz/shipping/passlists/slainscastle.html



And many other search results.