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Hello everyone I'm very new to all this and struggling. I do buy credits where I can afford them.

My mums side of the family are Scottish, so no such luck as nothing free at all on sites for Scottish and the ones that charge, seem to charge so much more. Very interested though, as my mum is Low no E on the end. And also Wallace.

Then there's my dads side, my family are not the best and none have kept in any contact from around 1920s.

So asking my dad or mum, they have no idea about their pasts.

My name is Mathis and this is what I have so far, but not sure it is all right.

My granddad was William Mathis born 1907 I believe in London. No idea about brothers or sisters.

His dad my great granddad was William T Mathis I believe born around 1881 and if I have it right his siblings were. Think dates are correct.
Henry Mathis -1888
Edward Mathis - 1890
George Mathis - 1894
Marie Mathis - 1898
Moritz Mathis - 1886 (born in France I believe)

I have no further information on them, if what I have is correct and this is where is get complicated, and names could of changed.

my great great granddad their dad, was also William Mathis I believe and was born in Switzerland. This is where it all stops, if I am right at all. I think he may of married a Ellen again not sure. I can't find death records for any of the above.

I've spent £££ on credits an non the wiser. Maybe it is me not knowing what I am really doing, and also not understanding some documents too.

Any help would be much appreciated. I have also tried searching records for Switzerland, but again no idea even though what I was reading was in English.

Thank you

Welcome to the boards.

You need to start at the beginning with your parents marriage certificate which will give you both of their fathers names, and then work backwards one generation at a time.

It is expensive but you really need to buy as many certificates as you can afford.

Don't buy credits for GenesReunited as you are better using a 14 day free trial for Findmypast or Ancestry (remember to cancel before the 14 days are up so they don't charge your card).

If any of the births or marriages happened in Scotland you will need the Scotlandspeople website which does need you to buy credits.

This looks like Moritz in the 1891 census:-

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Chatham Terrace, Battersea, Wandsworth, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

William Mathis Head Married Male 34 1857 Stone Mason Switzerland
Ellen Mathis Wife Married Female 34 1857 - London, England
William Mathis Son - Male 9 1882 - London, England
Moritz Mathis Son - Male 5 1886 - France<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Henry Mathis Son - Male 3 1888 - London, England
Edward Mathis Son - Male 1 1890 - Battersea, Surrey, England

This looks like Moritz's marriage:-

First name(s) MORITZ
Last name MATHIS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1905
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MORITZ MATHIS married one of these people
Minnie Louisa Barnes, Emily Worsfold, Annie Jones
District Wandsworth
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 1268
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2008

Kath. x

This looks like your grandad in the 1911 census:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15 Elsley Road Shaftesbury Park SW, Battersea, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

W T Mathis Head Married Male Stonemason 30 1881 London City
Rosina Mathis Wife Married Female - 28 1883 London Westminster
William Mathis Son - Male - 4 1907 London Battersea<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Rosina Mathis Daughter - Female - 6 1905 London Battersea

Kath. x

This could possibly be your grandfather's birth:-

First name(s) WILLIAM HENRY
Last name MATHIS
Birth year 1907
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name - Jarrold
District Wandsworth
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 482
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Kath. x

This looks like your grandad's sister's birth:-

First name(s) ROSINA FLORENCE
Last name MATHIS
Birth year 1904
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name - Jarrold
District Wandsworth
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 526
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Kath. x

Not sure but I think this could be your grandad's mother's birth and baptism (If she was known by her middle name):-

First name(s) Eleanor Rosina
Last name Jarrold
Birth year 1883
Birth date 13 Oct 1883
Baptism year 1888
Baptism date 23 Mar 1888
Father's first name(s) Henry William
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Parish St Stephen, Rochester Row
County Middlesex
Country England
Page 91
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

Gt. grandparents' marriage? Rose rather than Rosina?
He's a stonemason as is his father, her father a plasterer.

William Thomas Mathis

in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
View London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: William Thomas Mathis
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Age: 22
Spouse: Rose Jarrold
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 May 1904
Parish: St Philip, Battersea
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: William Mathis
Spouse Father: Henry William Jarrold
Register Type: Parish Register

Re the Scottish side of your family -
The updated Scotlands People site allows more searching free than it used to.
You can do a basic search and get a surprising amount of info, although to actually see the images of records, or for full details, you do need credits.

If you like to give some names and dates, and places if possible, I (and others) will be happy to have a look for you.

1939:

Mathis Household 15 Elsey Road , Battersea, London, England

William (Thomas) Mathis 25 Jun 1881 Male Stone Mason (Foreman) Married
Ellenor R Mathis 13 Oct 1883 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
William H Mathis 01 Jul 1907 Male Stone Man Single
Edward G Mathis 02 Mar 1912 Male Stone Man Single

I have my grandmothers details which are

Violet Taylor 1919-2000

Her husband (who's family I am looking into, well trying) William Mathis 1907-1978

I have a sister for him as Rosina Mathis 1905 ?

Their father as William Mathis 1881 - 1971 ?
Their mother as Rose Jarrold 1883 ?

And then believe his father William Mathis born around 1850s from Switzerland. ? :-)

Younger brother:

Births Mar 1912
Mathis Edward G MMN: Jarrald Wandsworth 1d 940

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22 Millgrove St Battersea, Battersea, London, England

William Otto Montz Mathis Head Widower Male Stone Mason 53 1858 Germany
Edward G Mathis Son Single Male Clerk 21 1890 England
George Mathis Son Single Male Porter 16 1895 England
Marie Mathis Daughter Single Female School 13 1898 England
Morris Otto Mathis Son Married Male Stone Mason 27 1884 France
Emily Clara Mathis Wife Married Female - 25 1886 England
Rosie Marie Ivy Mathis Granddaughter - Female - 5 1906 England
Emily Ellen Mathis Granddaughter - Female - 2 1909 England

*William Otto Montz Mathis -14 children (6 still living)

*Morris Otto Mathis - married 6 years, 2 children (2 still living)
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Death:
First name(s) WILLIAM M O
Last name MATHIS
Gender Male
Birth year 1858
Age 53
Death quarter 2
Death year 1911
District Wandsworth
County London
Volume 1D Page 215

wow AustinQ your amazing. Thank you. Trying to process all the information. Everything I saw regarding Morris Otto had him as Moritz. <3

I have sent you a message AustinQ

I suspect he was born Moritz but names were often anglicised.

This is his wife Emily (nee Worsfold) in 1939 (Haven't found Moritz/ Morris yet):

Mathis Household Beecholme Glenville Road , Worthing R.D., Sussex, England
Emily Mathis 23 May 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Frederick H Groves 16 Oct 1899 Male Produce Brokers Manager Married
Emily E Groves 01 Mar 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Barry F Groves 24 Jan 1934 Male At School Single
Closed Record
Maureen A Owen (Cohen) 21 Sep 1934 Male At School Single

Emily is her daughter, and Maureen is her grandchild (child of Rose)

Child of Rose? I am confused.

So Emily born Emily Worsfold is the wife of Morris Mathis ?

There children are ?

Who is Groves ?

I feel so stupid. Can you believe I run 3 communtiy groups and massive communtiy events. I fill risk assessments out weekly, but this is so confusing.
I can't thank you enough though.
I gave up and was planning a trip to the archives in Surrey. I have a feeling I would of been brainless there too.

Marriages Jun 1933 (>99%)
Groves Frederick H Mathis Battersea 1d 792
Mathis Emily E Groves Battersea 1d 792

That's Emily Ellen Mathis, showing in 1911 census posted earlier.

Don't worry- it's a lot of information to get your head around, It's often easier to see information laid out in a tree (I have mine on Ancestry).

Moritz Mathis married Emily Worsfold in 1905.

They had children:

MATHIS, MARIE ROSE IVY (mother's maiden name: WORSFOLD)
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 730

MATHIS, EMILY ELLEN (mother's maiden name: WORSFOLD)
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 485

(They are on the 1911 census with Morris)
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Marie Rose Ivy Mathis married Charles Cohen in 1928

Emily Ellen Mathis married Frederick H Groves in 1933

These are some of the children of William O M Mathis (all with mother's maiden name Gough/ Goff)

I doesn't seem as though all the births were registered (unless someone else can find them)

MATHIS, CHARLIE mmn: GOUGH
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in STRAND Volume 01B Page 665
(Born late 1886- registered 1887- died 1889)

England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
name(s) Charles Mathis
Birth date 20 Nov 1886
Baptism date 05 Dec 1886
Church St Anselm & St Cecilia
Parish Lincoln's Inn Fields (Sardinian Chapel)
Diocese Westminster
Ecclesiastical province Westminster
County Middlesex
Father's name William Mathis
Mother's name Ellen Gough
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MATHIS, HENRY mmn: GOUGH
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in STRAND Volume 01B Page 674

England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
name(s) Henry Mathis
Birth date 12 Feb 1888
Baptism date 10 Mar 1888
Church St Anselm & St Cecilia
Parish Lincoln's Inn Fields (Sardinian Chapel)
Diocese Westminster
Ecclesiastical province Westminster
County Middlesex
Father's name(s) William Mathis
Mother's name(s) Ellen Gough
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MATHIS, EDWARD GEORGE mmn: GOUGH
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 548

MATHIS, DANIEL mmn: GOUGH
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 598
(died 1892)

MATHIS, ELLEN mmn: GOUGH
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 600
(died 1893)

MATHIS, GEORGE mmn: GOUGH
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 690
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MATHIS, MARIE mmn: GOFF
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 575

Name: Marie Mathis
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Aug 1897
Father's name: William Mathis
Mother's name: Ellen Mathis
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Saviour
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

http://burials.wandsworth.gov.uk/

(worth a look on above)

Chris :)

Edits (also below, can be useful)

All London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)