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The following is from Joy's friend:
I wouldn't know where to start except go backwards from my father Ernest Maxwell Burnett 1913-1985. His fathers name William and mother Jane Tyron. Both grandparents born in Canada i think.. not sure? I do know grandfather was of Scottish heritage but i know nothing of his parents. Same for his wife!
[Here is where JC realizes she wasn't paying attention, and couldn't find Ernest's birth because he was born after 1910, Ontario having the 100-year cut-off rule.]
Another cousin on the Burnett side (named William also) but spells his name (Burnet) traced the family back to Scotland to a place not far from Lockerbee where that plane crashed. He told me if you go back far enough, it leads to France. Now he did have many years ago a website on My Family.com but it's gone now and i have lost all contact with my cousins.
I know personally from experience; There are many different Burnett clans here in Canada, even here in this city and where not related within 3-4 generations that go back 200 years or so. Many bear identical names like John, William, Robert
ST. James - ST. Andrews cemetery, Orillia, Ontario, Canada ( Simcoe County )
That's where both grandparents & my parents are buried. Almost all my fathers family is there too. That's pretty much all I know.. sorry not much to go on.
Don't have none of the certificates, already gave you fathers parents names. Dad's brothers: Robert, Stanley, Edward, Roy. Sisters: Annie, Albena, Gladys, Pearl.
My dad Ernie or Ernest... he may have been born in Matchadash township, in the county of Simcoe. It was & still is a rural area so he was born on a dirt farm and that's all I know. Dad never talked about his parents to me and I never knew them as a child. Grandfather was dead before I was born and grandmother died when I was about 6 yrs or so. No memories of either. ):
I'm the youngest of four boys, my oldest brother is 14 yrs older and no contact with him. Only my auntie Pearl is still alive but she is really old and far away in a home somewhere up north.
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My first effort:
Okay, last things first!
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/Detail&casualty=465508
This is the page for Harry Burnett at the Virtual War Memorial. It gives this info:
In memory of
Private
HARRY CHARLES BURNETT
who died on August 6, 1917
Service Number: 823724
Age: 23
Force: Army
Unit: Canadian Infantry (Quebec Regiment)
Division: 14th Bn.
Date of Birth: August 19, 1893
Township of Ryde, Muskoka, Ontario, Canada
Son of William and Mary Ann (née Fox) Burnett. Husband of Myrtle Burnett of London, Ontario. He is commemorated on the family gravemarker with his parents at Hamlet Cemetery near Sparrow Lake, Ontario.
Commemorated on Page 210 of the First World War Book of Remembrance.
and the link for looking at the image of that page is:
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/content/collections/books/bww1/ww1210.jpg
Very unusually, there is a photograph of Harry to the Virtual War Memorial site -- there is a link there to click to see it, and then you have to click on his name to see the photo, but here's the direct link to it:
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/content/collections/virtualmem/photoview.cfm?casualty=465508&photo=6611
It was submitted by the 1st Hussars Museum, not by a family member, though.
"Enlisted in 1914, went overseas with the 142nd Battalion. Died of wounds received at Vimy Ridge."
This is the corresponding entry at the CWGC site, but it has none of the detail:
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=465508
This is a direct link to the image of his WWI attestation papers:
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc001/272102a.gif
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Harry married Myrtle in Middlesex County (London, Ontario) -- I don't pay for access so I can't see the date, and her name has been b*ed up in the Ancestry transcription, which says "Myrtle Adline Axline".
Searching for marriages for Burnett with parents William Burnett and Mary Fox, there seems to be one other:
Alice Edna Burnett
Searching for Burnett births with parents William Burnett and Mary Ann Fox, it's hard to tell, because in addition to three with those parents (in one case it says "Fos"), there are several with Mary Ann Fox mother and "_____Burnett" father. I'm not paying for the detailed results, you see.
The parents' marriage may be mistranscribed as Mary Ann Fox + William Bennett, in Simcoe County.
Okay ... I searched for births with mother Mary Ann Fox and no other info, and caught some mistranscriptions -- Cassie Bernett in Muskoka, William Brener? in Middlesex, Lilly Jane Burnet in Muskoka, William James Burnett in Simcoe, ... I can't tell for a number of others, but those seem likely.
Problem is, not one of those names matches the list your friend gave:
Dad's brothers: Robert, Stanley, Edward, Roy.
Sisters: Annie, Albena, Gladys, Pearl.
Does he know whether all of them would have been born by 1911? 1901?
Even using Ancestry (which allows fuzzy searches) I'm not finding them in 1901 or 1911.
Okay ... in 1901, I found the ones whose births I was looking at:
*surname Burnet*
William James 1873
Lilly J 1881
Minnie E 1882
Cassie 1886
Alice E 1890
Henry C 1894
parents William and Mary A, in Ontario County North.
Here's the link to the free site for 1901:
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=97130&highlight=14
It shows the list of names and also the original image. Henry C's birthdate is 19 August 1894, so that really has to be him with an error on the year.
William was born 11 May 1850 in Scotland. His date of immigration to Canada is given as 1857.
Mary Ann was born 18 August 1855 in Ontario.
So if you do get your friend a month's sub at ancestry.ca, Joy, he will be able to find their marriage and Mary Ann's birth. Ontario marriage records give parents' full names (where the person knew them), for instance.
Joy's friend sounds like he would like to do the searching himself, and a short-time sub to ancestry.ca is cheap indeed, so shall we leave it there for him to pick up??
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Hi Janey, the soccer's finished for the day, so I'm back with more goodies:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/
Vol 23 Pg 297 - William BENNETT, 21, farmer, Scotland, Stayner Village, s/o Robert & Margaret, married Mary Ann FOX, 17, Owen Sound, Stayner, d/o John & Mary. Witn: Edward FOX & Martha HUNTER, both of Stayner. May 24, 1872 Collingwood.
Vol 23 Pg 355 - Edward FOX, 26, brick maker, Chinguacousy, Stayner, s/o Christopher & Martha, married Martha HUNTER, 22, Chinguacousy, Stayner, d/o James & Sarah. Witn William & Mary Ann BURNETT, both of Stayner. Sept. 5, 1872 Stayner.
[don't know (yet) why they're witnesses]
017195-04 - John Joseph Kehoe GILL, 22, Dalton, Coopers Falls, farmer, s/o Michael GILL & Christina BRADFORD, married Cassia BURNET, 19 Lewisham, Ryde, d/o William BURNET & Mary Ann FOX, wtn: Sarah GENNO & Silas JOSLIN, both of Cooper's Falls, on August 30, 1904, at Orillia
013519-05 (Muskoka) William James BURNET, 32, farmer, Stayner, Ryde Twp s/o William BURNET and Mary Ann FOX married Jane TRYON, 25, Uxbridge, Ryde Twp d/o George TRYON and Margaret FAULKNER, witn: Joseph H. TRYON and Edna BURNET, March 14, 1905, Bracebridge
[Stayner is 15km SE of Collingwood]
013626-98 - William James RUTTAN, 27, n/g, Ryde, Farmer, s/o Rachel SMITH & Michael RUTTAN, married Hannah Bertha BROOKS, 17, n/g, Ryde, d/o Rebecca REDMAN & John BROOKS, wtn: William James BURNETT & Matilda BURNBRIDGE, n/g, on January 3, 1898, at Ryde
[don't know (yet) why he's a witness]
#018110-06 - Edward WAITE, 25, Newmarket, Orillia, baker, son of Irvin WAITE & Mary GILROY, married Minnie E. BURNETT, 23, Muskoka, Orillia, s, dau. of William BURNETT & Mary Ann FOX, witn: Edna BURNETT, Herbert CHILDERHOSE, both Orillia, married 23 May 1906, Orillia
010013-97 (Muskoka Dis) George Henry TRYON, 27, Collingwood, Brunel Twp, farmer, s/o Margaret & George TRYON, married Matilda STEELE, 38, Manvers, Brunel, widow, d/o Sarah & James KENT, wtn: Alfred HOLLINGSHEAD of Brunel Twp & John & Hannah HUMPHREY, both of Franklin Twp, on July 14, 1897, at Brunel Twp [also 9956-97]
#009943-13 Samuel CRONK, 22, farmer, of Rama Twp, s/o Luther CRONK, farmer & Margaret IRETON, married Margaret TRYON, 21, servant, Ryde Twp, d/o George TRYON, farmer & Margaret FALCONER, witn: Fred COOPER, Ramona & S.C. REDDON, Severn Bridge, 2? Jan 1913 at Morrison Twp
To trace this family further back, one really needs the pob's that I didn't guess.
These can be gotten off an Ancestry transcription, or by buying the image from SP.
1851 for Middlebie, DFS
Robert Burnett abt 1825 Middlebie Head
Margaret Burnett abt 1816 location Wife
Edward Burnett abt 1845 location Son
Jane Burnett abt 1846 location Daughter
William Burnett abt 1848 Middlebie Son
Margaret Burnett abt 1851 Middlebie Daughter
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I get a hit for Robert 1851 as a mason - possibly qualified on the detailed transcription.
There's a map showing DFS (for each Scottish county, in fact) parishes at:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/
Near the W edge of the parish is Middlebie kirk which is abt 10 km SE of Lockerbie, a couple of parishes away
Piece: SCT1841/837 Place: Kirkpatrick-Fleming -Dumfries-shire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Kirkpatrick Fleming Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 8 Page: 7
Address: Outerlands
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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BURNET William M 40 Stonemason Dumfries-shire
BURNET Mary F 40 Dumfries-shire
BURNET Jane F 15 Dumfries-shire
BURNET Robert M 15 Apprentice Mason Dumfries-shire
BURNET Elizabeth F 14 Dumfries-shire
BURNET William M 13 Dumfries-shire
BURNET Janet F 11 Dumfries-shire
BURNET Helen F 8 Dumfries-shire
BURNET James M 7 Dumfries-shire
BURNET Elspeth F 5 Dumfries-shire
BURNET David M 2 Dumfries-shire
BURNET Joan F 1 Dumfries-shire
[FreeCEN has 1941 complete for DFS, but nothing for 1851 DFS.
Kirkpatrick-Fleming is the next parish to SE of Middlebie.
In 1841 adult (15+) ages are supposed to be rounded down to a mult of 5.]
You can see Outerlands at:
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ (1862)
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ (modern)
In each case search for the coords 325400,576500 and zoom in (old) or out (modern).
No pics of Outerlands - closest is next farm:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NY2576
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http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/1871-ontario/001016-100.01-e.php
plus http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections;r=0
1871 heads of h/h's in Glenelg, Grey S Co plus Brunet's
Name Given Name Age Place of Birth District Sub-district
1. BURNET ARCHIBALD 26 SCOTLAND GREY SOUTH Glenelg M
Bargara Burnet, M 21 pob=O
Rest are in adjacent h/h's
4. BURNET JAMES 36 SCOTLAND GREY SOUTH Glenelg M
Almira Burnet M 28 pob=Scotland
Mary C Burnet 4 pob=O
William Burnet 1 pob=O
3. BURNET EDWARD 25 SCOTLAND GREY SOUTH Glenelg
Margaret Burnet W 55 pob=Scotland
Jane Burnet 24 pob=Scotland
William Burnet 22 pob=Scotland
Margaret Burnet 20 pob=Scotland
Henry Burnet 16 pob=O
Mary Ann Burnet 13 pob=O
2. BURNET DAVID 29 SCOTLAND GREY SOUTH Glenelg M
Elizabeth Burnet M 24 pob=England
Isabella Burnet 0 pob=O
William Burnet 2 pob=O
1861 Census place: Glenelg, Grey, Ontario [p 8]
William Burnett M 63 pob=Scotland
Mary Burnett M 63 pob=Scotland
James Burnett S 27 pob=Scotland
David Burnett S 21 pob=Scotland
Arch D Burnett S 17 pob=Scotland
John Burnett S 19 pob=Scotland
1861 Census place: Glenelg, Grey, Ontario [p 8]
Margaret Burnett W 36 pob=Scotland
[EDIT - deleted a spurious line] **************************************
Edward Burnett S 17 pob=Scotland
Jane Burnett S 15 pob=Scotland
Margaret Burnett S 11 pob=Scotland
William Burnett S 13 pob=Scotland
Henry Burnet S 7 pob=U C
Mary Ann Burnet S 4 pob=U C
1861 Census place: Glenelg, Grey, Ontario [p 43]
William Burnett M 31 pob=Scotland
Martha Burnett M 30 pob=Scotland
Mary Burnett S 8 pob=U C
Jane Burnett S 7 pob=U C
Martha Burnett S 5 pob=U C
Sarah Burnett S 3 pob=U C
John Burnett S 2 pob=U C
Glenelg Twp lies between Durham, Priceville & Markdale
[Without a sub, I can't tell if I've missed any non-Burnett's in h/h]
Looks like our Robt and Margt came over in 1852-1854 range, then Robt died here.
Also looks like our Robt's parents come over too. Not sure who Wm + Martha are.
1851 census was taken on 12/1/1852, and our Robt and Margt aren't on it that I can see.
[The 1921 UK census was completed in 1926, so Canada wasn't that bad]
EDITTED to remove my confusion re Wm-Robt
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canon/research-area.html
drill down to Grey (alt Muskoka) and then books, in partic:
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=3475
esp the Glenelg chapter:
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=2529511
Old Barkway Cemetery, Ryde Twp (Concession 9, Lot 15, Barkway Community)
Margaret Faulkner Tryon Born 1852 Died 1929
http://mpsgg.com/Cemeteries/Muskoka/Ryde001.htm
Look up Burnett with spouse=Tryon at:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
4 versions of same tree - abt 9 y o with difft email addy's for owner, who looks like a descendant of Jane Tryon's bro George.
[Try contacting her - don't write much until you know a valid email addy]
Vol.21, pg. 76 (Grey Co.) Peter FERGUSON, 23, farmer, Erin Ont., Proton Twp., s/o Donald and Rachael FERGUSON, married Margaret BURNET, 19, Scotland, Glenelg Twp., d/o Robert and Margaret BURNET, witn, Edward BURNET and James BURNET both of Glenelg Twp., 26 December 1871 at Glenelg Twp
Vol 2, page 74 (Grey Co.) Edward BURNET, 26, farmer, Scotland, Glenelg, s/o Robert and Margaret BURNET married Isabella FERGUSON, 20, Erin Ont., Proton, d/o John and Janet FERGUSON, witn; Peter FERGUSON of Proton and David BURNET of Glenelg, 1 January 1872 at Glenelg
11922-23 Ernest Ephraim BLODGETT, 37, contractor, Quebec, Timmins, s/o Allison BLODGETT (b. Quebec) & Elsie LINDSAY, married Mary Ellen BURNETT, 37, clerk, Ontario, RR2 Priceville, d/o David BURNETT (b. Scotland) & Elizabeth JAMIESON, witn: Isabella B. VOLLETT & Hennie D. BURNETT, both of Glenelg, 8 Aug 1923 at Glenelg twp
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Ont deaths from LDS pilot site:
Name: Archibald Hunter Burnetts
Death date: 18 Dec 1925
Age at death: 80 years
Death place: Durham, Grey, Ontario
Birth date: 1845
Estimated birth year: 1845
Gender: Male
Father's name: William Burnetts
Mother's name: Mary Edgar
GSU film number: 2057272
Digital GS number: 4171412
Image number: 328
Reference number: rn 14306
Collection: Ontario Deaths 1869-1947
1851 for Kirkpatrick Fleming DFS
William Burnet abt 1798 Middlebie Head
Mary Burnet abt 1798 Kirkpat Fleming Wife
Helen Burnet abt 1833 Kirkpat Fleming Daughter
James Burnet abt 1835 Kirkpat Fleming Son
Elspy Burnet abt 1836 Kirkpat Fleming Daughter
David Burnet abt 1839 Kirkpat Fleming Son
Johnan Burnet abt 1841 Kirkpat Fleming Daughter
Archibald Burnet abt 1844 Kirkpat Fleming Son
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Results for: Dumfries, Scotland, British Isles
Father: William Burnet, Mother: Mary Edgar
Exact Spelling: Off
International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 7
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
4. MARY BURNET - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 SEP 1821 Middlebie, Dumfries, Scotland
1. JANE BURNET - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 FEB 1823 Middlebie, Dumfries, Scotland
2. JANET ELSPA BURNET - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 MAY 1830 Kirkpatrick-Fleming, Dumfries, Scotland
7. HELEN BURNET - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 NOV 1832 Kirkpatrick-Fleming, Dumfries, Scotland
5. ELSPETH BURNET - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 NOV 1835 Kirkpatrick-Fleming, Dumfries, Scotland
6. ELSPETH BURNET - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 NOV 1835 Kirkpatrick-Fleming, Dumfries, Scotland
3. JOAN EDGAR BURNET - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 JUL 1840 Kirkpatrick-Fleming, Dumfries, Scotland
[Batch#=118414/118374 - they're both another of those quirky IGI transcriptions that only list females]
http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/pdf/list-of-oprs-812to854.pdf
837. KIRKPATRICK-FLEMING OPRs
There are just 2 marr entries 1777-1854
841. MIDDLEBIE OPRs
There is just 1 marr entry 1788-1854
So it's not surprising I can't find any marrs for anybody.
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What I would do next if I were you is:
1) Buy $20 worth of credits at SP - if you're real economical with searches, this should get you 10 images.
Get the 3 SCT censuses I've given, and then buy baptismal images of Wm + Mary's kids.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
2) Get Ancestry access for the Ont BMDs - this might be gotten at the local library, or a nearby LDS FHC - for latter search centre col at:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
Also check out Ont 1861/71 censuses - I could easily have stuffed up a bit there.
3) With marr names for women, search Ont census again - for 1881 on, you can do this with the free bit of Ancestry, plus the census links list I gave (although it's more trouble).
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