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Trying to find Bessie Bush

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Ian

Ian Report 8 Feb 2008 19:13

Where do i start. My great grandad was born Lionel Frank Jolliffe we did not find this out until his death in 1974. He was known through out his life as Frank Bush for some reason reverting back to his mother Bessie maiden name. His father on his birth certificate is John Jolliffe. Because of the name change i am having great difficulty in tracing anyone down this side of my tree. I was very lucky to have known frank but unfortunately not old enough then to ask the questions. If anybody could help i would appreciate it greatly

Samspade

Samspade Report 8 Feb 2008 19:24

do you have the census returns for Lionel?

Samspade

Samspade Report 8 Feb 2008 19:24

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Jolliffe Lionel Frank Fulham 1a 222

Samspade

Samspade Report 8 Feb 2008 19:31

1891 England Census
about Lionel F Joliffe
Name: Lionel F Joliffe
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John H
Gender: Male
Where born: Shepherds Bush, London, England

Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Florence M B Davis 5
Edith V Joliffe 14
Ernest A Joliffe 16
Honor Joliffe 26
John H Joliffe 33
Lionel F Joliffe 1
Minnie L Joliffe 6
Oscar H Joliffe 3


umm where's mum?Honor is down as Housekeeper?

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2008 22:36

thanks wendy, looking at the census's and with help from you and other people we believe the story so far is. Frank was born to John H Joliffe (although Frank has two 'l's in his birth cert.) and bessie Joliffe formerly Bush info on birth cert 25/12/1889. On the 1891 census we see no Bessie but an Honor Joliffe is down as house keeper now is she a sister or married to john?????.Now in the 1901 census maybe Honor married a Nixon and some of the kids have changed there names to bush...its still confussing but i think maybe getting closer

Julcoe

Julcoe Report 11 Feb 2008 02:20

If you look at the original 1891 census record, Ernest is 10yrs and Edith is 4 yrs. The ages have a big X through them, but by magnifying 200% it's easier to read.

Father Johns 1881 record... still no Bessie

1881 England Census about John Henry Joliffe
Name: John Henry Joliffe
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Ryde, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: 63 James St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Coach Builder

Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 24

Household Members:
Name Age
Ernest Augustus Joliffe 3 mths
John Henry Joliffe 22
Mary Jane Joliffe 21

JulieD

Battenburg

Battenburg Report 11 Feb 2008 03:09

Honor Bush married Richard William Nixon 1898 dec qt Fulham gro ref 1a 472

Honor on the 1891 census is single housekeeper so not married to John.. She obviously had Johns children then he must have died.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 11 Feb 2008 03:17

A John Henry Joliffe married in 1881

Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)

ALLEN Emma Matilda Kensington 1a 124
JOLIFFE John Henry Kensington 1a 124
Sladen Alice Louisa Kensington 1a 124
WHITE Horace Kensington 1a 124



but that doesn't connect up with the 1881 census where that J H Joliffe already has a wife???


sylvia

Battenburg

Battenburg Report 11 Feb 2008 03:30



Perhaps we have more than 1 John Henry Jolliffe..English naming patterns ?