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INFO ON MY G/ GRANDPARENTS

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RMRIO

RMRIO Report 6 Aug 2009 17:19

MY GRANDFATHER DANIEL BRAY LIVED AT 29 VICTORIA ROAD WORKINGTON CUMBRIA. AT THE TIME OF MY MOTHERS BIRTH (MARJORIE MILLS) HE DIED DUE TO AN ACCIDENT AT WORK ON 6/7/1953. HE WAS AT THAT TIME A RAILWAY PLATELAYER. MY GRANDMA SARAH JANE OWEN DIED AT THE AGE OF 39 APPROX 1914/15.INTERESTED TO KNOW WHO MY G/GRANDPARENTS WERE ALSO GG. ANY INFO WOULD GRATEFULLY RECEIVED. THANKING ALL YOU KIND AND HELPFUL PEOPLE ON THIS SITE, REGARDS RITA

Carley

Carley Report 6 Aug 2009 17:46

marriage for reference:

Marriages Mar 1914 (>99%)
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>>>>BRAY Daniel Owen Cockermouth 10b 1013
MIDDLETON Ellen Russell Cockermouth 10b 1013
>>>>OWEN Sarah J Bray Cockermouth 10b 1013
Russell John Middleton Cockermouth 10b 1013

CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 17:47

The death registration for Daniel shows he was 64 when he died - therefore birth around 1889ish

So this is a good possible for his birth

Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
Bray Daniel Whitehaven 10b 575

CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 17:50

This is a very likely possibility for Daniel and his parents in 1891 - Harrington is inthe Whitehaven registration which is where his birth was registered

1891 England Census
about Daniel Bray
Name: Daniel Bray
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Harrington, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Harrington
Ecclesiastical parish: Harrington
Town: Harrington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 113 Stanley Street, Harrington, Cumbria

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Harrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bray 31 .......engineman
Sarah Bray 33
Annie M Bray 10
Frances Bray 6
Sarah Bray 4
Daniel Bray 2


Possible marriage for William Bray (your great grandfather)


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Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
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Bartlett Rosanna Jane Whitehaven 10b 905
>>>>>>>Bray William Whitehaven 10b 905
FLEMING John Hodgson Whitehaven 10b 905
>>>>>>>>Williamson Sarah Whitehaven 10b 905

CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 17:52

1901

1901 England Census
about Daniel Bray
Name: Daniel Bray
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Cumb, Harrington

Civil parish: Harrington
Ecclesiastical parish: Harrington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 24 Henry Street, Harrington, Cumbria

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Harrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members: Name Age
William Bray 41 ....steel smelting works stationary engineer
Sarah Bray 48
Frances Bray 16
Sarah E Bray 14
Daniel Bray 12
Marten Bray 9
Joh Bray 7


Whole family born Harrington, Cumbria

CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 17:53

1911 census

HOUSEHOLD BRAY DANIEL M 1889 22 Whitehaven Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD BRAY JOHN M 1894 17 Whitehaven Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD BRAY MARTIN M 1892 19 Whitehaven Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD BRAY SARAH F 1858 53 Whitehaven Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD BRAY WILLIAM M 1860 51 Whitehaven Cumberland

CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 18:05

This is more than likely your grandmother's death - much later than you thought!

Deaths Jun 1928 (>99%)
Bray Sarah J 38 Cockermouth 10b 698

CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 18:16

Possible birth for your grandmother - given she was 39 when she died in 1928

Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
Owen Sarah Jane Cockermouth 10b 530


So this looks possible for your grandmother with her parents in 1901

1901 England Census
about Sarah Jane Owen
Name: Sarah Jane Owen
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Mills
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Female
Where born: Workington, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Workington
Ecclesiastical parish: Workington St Michael
Town: Workington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 23 Lonsdale Street, Workington, Cumberland

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Cockermouth
Sub-registration district: Workington
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 254
Household Members: Name Age
William Mills Owen 48 ....born Isle of Man.....engine fitter
Anne Owen 44
Geo Owen 14 ....gardener (domestic)
Sarah Jane Owen 12
Frances Owen 5
Elizabeth Owen 3

Other than William Mills Owen - rest of family born Workington, Cumberland


If you were to order the marriage certificate for your grandparents using the reference found by Cazzi, that would confirm that names and occupations of the fathers and would make sure you were on the right track with your tree.

CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 18:38

Possible marriage for William Mills Owen

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>>Hardy Ann Cockermouth 10b 908
Nelson John Cockermouth 10b 908
>>>>>>>>Owen William Mills Cockermouth 10b 908
Raffaty Frances Cockermouth 10b 908


Here they probably are in 1881

1881 England Census
about William Mills Owen
Name: William Mills Owen
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man

Civil parish: Workington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 23 Senhouse Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer Steelworks

Registration district: Cockermouth
Sub-registration district: Workington
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Hardy 54
Mary Hardy 49
Francis Hardy 13
Simon Hardy 10
John Jonston 21
William Mills Owen 28
Ann Owen 25
Joseph Mills Owen 4
Mary Isabella Owen


CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 18:45

William Mills Owen in 1871

1871 England Census
about William Mills Owen
Name: William Mills Owen
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Ramsey, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Civil parish: Harrington
Town: Harrington
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Harrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Bernard Fitzsimons 30
Elizabeth Fitzsimons 24
William I Fitzsimons 4
Thomas M Fitzsimons 2
Jane Ewlina Fitzsimons 6 months
Jane Mills 69
William Mills Owen 18


CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 19:22

Finally found the Owen family in 1891 - mistranscribed as Dwen!!


1891 England Census
about Joseph M Dwen
Name: Joseph M Dwen
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William M
Gender: Male
Where born: Workington, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Workington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Cockermouth
Sub-registration district: Workington
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William M Dwen 38 ,,,,engine fitter
Annie Dwen 34
Joseph M Dwen 14 ....errand boy
Mary I Dwen 10
George Dwen 4
Sarah J Dwen 2



CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 6 Aug 2009 19:28

The Owens in 1911


HOUSEHOLD OWEN ANN F 1856 55 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN CHARLES MILLS M 1902 9 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN DORIS F 1910 9 MONTHS Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN ELIZABETH F 1897 14 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN FRANCES F 1896 15 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN GEORGE M 1888 23 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN GERTRUDE F 1906 5 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN JOSEPH MILLS M 1877 34 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN JOSEPH WILLIAM M 1900 11 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN PATIENCE F 1876 35 Cockermouth Cumberland
HOUSEHOLD OWEN PATIENCE F 1904 7 Cockermouth Cumberland


It looks like Ann Owen is living in the same household as her oldest son Joseph Mills Owen - Ann, Elizabeth Frances and George are one family and the rest are Joseph Mills Owen and his wife Patience with their children.

Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%)
Owen William Mills 48 Cockermouth 10b 411



Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%)
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Fidler John Douglas Cockermouth 10b 1182
>>>>>>>>>Kelsall Patience Cockermouth 10b 1182
>>>>>>>>>Owen Joseph Mills Cockermouth 10b 1182
Thompson Ethel Cockermouth 10b 1182

RMRIO

RMRIO Report 7 Aug 2009 11:48

HI NINJA---CAZZI. " THANKYOU " SO MUCH FOR ALL THE INFO. BRILLIANT!! I CAN RELATE TO IT ,. NAMES ECT. BUT DID NOT KNOW MY GG GRANDAD WAS BORN I.O.M. TO FIND HIS DETAILS DO I NEED TO BE IN THE I.O.M. THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK IT UP. KIND REGARDS RITA

CherryBlossom

CherryBlossom Report 7 Aug 2009 12:50

You might find him on the Isle of Man 1841 and 1851 census via Ancestry.

Anything before that time regarding birth,s etc you would need to get the information from the Isle of Man I should think. I don't know if you might be able to find any details on the Family Search website of christenings.