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6 Aug 2009 17:19 |
MY GRANDFATHER DANIEL BRAY LIVED AT 29 VICTORIA ROAD WORKINGTON CUMBRIA. AT THE TIME OF MY MOTHERS BIRTH (MARJORIE MILLS) HE DIED DUE TO AN ACCIDENT AT WORK ON 6/7/1953. HE WAS AT THAT TIME A RAILWAY PLATELAYER. MY GRANDMA SARAH JANE OWEN DIED AT THE AGE OF 39 APPROX 1914/15.INTERESTED TO KNOW WHO MY G/GRANDPARENTS WERE ALSO GG. ANY INFO WOULD GRATEFULLY RECEIVED. THANKING ALL YOU KIND AND HELPFUL PEOPLE ON THIS SITE, REGARDS RITA
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6 Aug 2009 17:46 |
marriage for reference:
Marriages Mar 1914 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>BRAY Daniel Owen Cockermouth 10b 1013 MIDDLETON Ellen Russell Cockermouth 10b 1013 >>>>OWEN Sarah J Bray Cockermouth 10b 1013 Russell John Middleton Cockermouth 10b 1013
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6 Aug 2009 17:47 |
The death registration for Daniel shows he was 64 when he died - therefore birth around 1889ish
So this is a good possible for his birth
Births Mar 1889 (>99%) Bray Daniel Whitehaven 10b 575
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CherryBlossom
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6 Aug 2009 17:50 |
This is a very likely possibility for Daniel and his parents in 1891 - Harrington is inthe Whitehaven registration which is where his birth was registered
1891 England Census about Daniel Bray Name: Daniel Bray Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Harrington, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Harrington Ecclesiastical parish: Harrington Town: Harrington County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: 113 Stanley Street, Harrington, Cumbria
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Whitehaven Sub-registration district: Harrington ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Bray 31 .......engineman Sarah Bray 33 Annie M Bray 10 Frances Bray 6 Sarah Bray 4 Daniel Bray 2 Possible marriage for William Bray (your great grandfather)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bartlett Rosanna Jane Whitehaven 10b 905 >>>>>>>Bray William Whitehaven 10b 905 FLEMING John Hodgson Whitehaven 10b 905 >>>>>>>>Williamson Sarah Whitehaven 10b 905
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6 Aug 2009 17:52 |
1901
1901 England Census about Daniel Bray Name: Daniel Bray Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Cumb, Harrington Civil parish: Harrington Ecclesiastical parish: Harrington County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: 24 Henry Street, Harrington, Cumbria
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Whitehaven Sub-registration district: Harrington ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 66 Household Members: Name Age William Bray 41 ....steel smelting works stationary engineer Sarah Bray 48 Frances Bray 16 Sarah E Bray 14 Daniel Bray 12 Marten Bray 9 Joh Bray 7 Whole family born Harrington, Cumbria
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6 Aug 2009 17:53 |
1911 census
HOUSEHOLD BRAY DANIEL M 1889 22 Whitehaven Cumberland HOUSEHOLD BRAY JOHN M 1894 17 Whitehaven Cumberland HOUSEHOLD BRAY MARTIN M 1892 19 Whitehaven Cumberland HOUSEHOLD BRAY SARAH F 1858 53 Whitehaven Cumberland HOUSEHOLD BRAY WILLIAM M 1860 51 Whitehaven Cumberland
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CherryBlossom
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6 Aug 2009 18:05 |
This is more than likely your grandmother's death - much later than you thought!
Deaths Jun 1928 (>99%) Bray Sarah J 38 Cockermouth 10b 698
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CherryBlossom
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6 Aug 2009 18:16 |
Possible birth for your grandmother - given she was 39 when she died in 1928
Births Mar 1889 (>99%) Owen Sarah Jane Cockermouth 10b 530
So this looks possible for your grandmother with her parents in 1901
1901 England Census about Sarah Jane Owen Name: Sarah Jane Owen Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mills Mother's Name: Anne Gender: Female Where born: Workington, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Workington Ecclesiastical parish: Workington St Michael Town: Workington County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: 23 Lonsdale Street, Workington, Cumberland
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Workington ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 254 Household Members: Name Age William Mills Owen 48 ....born Isle of Man.....engine fitter Anne Owen 44 Geo Owen 14 ....gardener (domestic) Sarah Jane Owen 12 Frances Owen 5 Elizabeth Owen 3 Other than William Mills Owen - rest of family born Workington, Cumberland
If you were to order the marriage certificate for your grandparents using the reference found by Cazzi, that would confirm that names and occupations of the fathers and would make sure you were on the right track with your tree.
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6 Aug 2009 18:38 |
Possible marriage for William Mills Owen
Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>Hardy Ann Cockermouth 10b 908 Nelson John Cockermouth 10b 908 >>>>>>>>Owen William Mills Cockermouth 10b 908 Raffaty Frances Cockermouth 10b 908
Here they probably are in 1881
1881 England Census about William Mills Owen Name: William Mills Owen Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Gender: Male Where born: Isle of Man, Isle of Man Civil parish: Workington County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address: 23 Senhouse Place Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Labourer Steelworks Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Workington ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joseph Hardy 54 Mary Hardy 49 Francis Hardy 13 Simon Hardy 10 John Jonston 21 William Mills Owen 28 Ann Owen 25 Joseph Mills Owen 4 Mary Isabella Owen
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6 Aug 2009 18:45 |
William Mills Owen in 1871
1871 England Census about William Mills Owen Name: William Mills Owen Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Ramsey, Isle of Man, Isle of Man Civil parish: Harrington Town: Harrington County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Whitehaven Sub-registration district: Harrington ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 26 Household Members: Name Age Bernard Fitzsimons 30 Elizabeth Fitzsimons 24 William I Fitzsimons 4 Thomas M Fitzsimons 2 Jane Ewlina Fitzsimons 6 months Jane Mills 69 William Mills Owen 18
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6 Aug 2009 19:22 |
Finally found the Owen family in 1891 - mistranscribed as Dwen!!
1891 England Census about Joseph M Dwen Name: Joseph M Dwen Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Son Father's Name: William M Gender: Male Where born: Workington, Cumberland, England Civil parish: Workington Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Cockermouth Sub-registration district: Workington ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William M Dwen 38 ,,,,engine fitter Annie Dwen 34 Joseph M Dwen 14 ....errand boy Mary I Dwen 10 George Dwen 4 Sarah J Dwen 2
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6 Aug 2009 19:28 |
The Owens in 1911
HOUSEHOLD OWEN ANN F 1856 55 Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN CHARLES MILLS M 1902 9 Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN DORIS F 1910 9 MONTHS Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN ELIZABETH F 1897 14 Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN FRANCES F 1896 15 Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN GEORGE M 1888 23 Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN GERTRUDE F 1906 5 Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN JOSEPH MILLS M 1877 34 Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN JOSEPH WILLIAM M 1900 11 Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN PATIENCE F 1876 35 Cockermouth Cumberland HOUSEHOLD OWEN PATIENCE F 1904 7 Cockermouth Cumberland
It looks like Ann Owen is living in the same household as her oldest son Joseph Mills Owen - Ann, Elizabeth Frances and George are one family and the rest are Joseph Mills Owen and his wife Patience with their children.
Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%) Owen William Mills 48 Cockermouth 10b 411
Marriages Jun 1899 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fidler John Douglas Cockermouth 10b 1182 >>>>>>>>>Kelsall Patience Cockermouth 10b 1182 >>>>>>>>>Owen Joseph Mills Cockermouth 10b 1182 Thompson Ethel Cockermouth 10b 1182
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7 Aug 2009 11:48 |
HI NINJA---CAZZI. " THANKYOU " SO MUCH FOR ALL THE INFO. BRILLIANT!! I CAN RELATE TO IT ,. NAMES ECT. BUT DID NOT KNOW MY GG GRANDAD WAS BORN I.O.M. TO FIND HIS DETAILS DO I NEED TO BE IN THE I.O.M. THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK IT UP. KIND REGARDS RITA
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7 Aug 2009 12:50 |
You might find him on the Isle of Man 1841 and 1851 census via Ancestry.
Anything before that time regarding birth,s etc you would need to get the information from the Isle of Man I should think. I don't know if you might be able to find any details on the Family Search website of christenings.
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