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Please can someone help me find Fred Proctor, I have found him on 1891 census and 1901 census but can't find him on any other.

Details I have are

Fred Proctor c1854 Yorkshire

This is the census I have found

1891

Name: Fred Proctor
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Castleford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Swinton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Swinton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Cass E Proctor 3 Son c1888 Swinton Yorkshire
Eli Proctor 55 Boarder c1836 Castleford
Elizabeth Proctor 28 Wife c1863 Swinton
Elsie A Proctor 8 Dau c1883 Swinton
Florence Proctor 1 Dau c1890 Swinton
Fred Proctor 37 Head c1854 Castleford

Census at Rotherham Wath, Swinton

1901

Name: Frederick Proctor
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Swinton, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Dawdon
Ecclesiastical parish: Seaham Harbour St John
Town: Seaham Harbour
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Dawdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members: Name Age

Coss et Proctor 13 Son c1888 Swinton
Edna Proctor 9 Dau c1892 Knotting Yorkshire
Elizabeth Proctor 39 Wife c1862 Swinton
Elsie Proctor 15 Dau c1886 Swinton
Florence Proctor 11 Dau c1890 Swinton
Frederick Proctor 48 Head c1853 Swinton
Mary Proctor 6 Dau c1895 Dunston Durham
Nelly Proctor 8 Dau c1893 Mexborough Yorkshire
Thomas Proctor 1 Son c1900 Seaham Harbour Durham

Census at Seaham Harbour Durham

I have possibly found him on 1861 census aged 8 and a boarder but not sure as birth place is down as Sheffield but can't find him anywhere else.

On 1891 and 1901 his occupation is Glass Bottle Maker.

I would be grateful of any help.

Christine

Christine ....do you have their M/C

there is a Fred Proctor in the 1881 with a wife called Zilpha

No I not got M/C but I don't think that is the right one as can find marriage but no death.

Christine

is this any help?

1851 England Census
about Fred Proctor
Name: Fred Proctor
Age: 2 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Castleford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Castleford
Ecclesiastical parish: York
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Pontefract
Sub-registration district: Pontefract
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 203
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Corbin 22
Fred Proctor 2 Mo
James Proctor 7
Mary Proctor 22
William Proctor 25

That strange as i can't see that marriage

So then theres 2 Fred Proctor's born within a couple of years to each other and born same area

I would get 1 of the childrens B/C for Elizabeth maiden name...then look for their marriage


Elizabth is 11 years younger that Fred so i would discount the 1881

If you're not going to hang around to answer questions then i'll stop looking

I am around Julie but at times I cannot get to the computer because I am caring for my Husband. I did answer your post before this. I am sorry I was a bit slow answering this.

I will see the person I am doing this for to see about getting certificates.

Christine

Yes Wendy that does sound interesting. I appologize to anyone who does not think I get back quick enough but I am afraid my Husband is more important.

Christine

Could this be his marriage on BVRI?

PROCTER, Fred Age: 31 Marriage
Wife: Elizabeth WILLEY Age: 21
Marriage Date: 7 May 1885 Recorded in: Swinton (near Rotherham), Yorkshire, England
Husband's Father: William PROCTER
Wife's Father: Thomas James WILLEY
Source: FHL Film 1545737 Dates: 1849 - 1899

That looks very promising, ok it is 2 years after the first child according to 1891 census but if Fred was married before that could work out or it could just be that they had a child before they married.

Christine

Hi Christine,
I can't believe someone would be so rude to you. I only get about three quarters replying to my help but would never castigate them.
Hence, I have been flogging my pc to help you.
I believe Fred is the son of Wm and Mary. You will find them in 1881 but Fred's name is mistranscribed as Tered!!
Fred married Zilpha Fawcett in 1880 and had a child, Bertram Fawcett Procter who died in 1881 (listed as a daughter on the census!!!). Zilpha followed in December 1883, Pontefract, 9c 58. She is probably the mother of Elsie A b. 1883. It is my belief that Fred gave up the pub to marry Elizabeth as he was left with a child to bring up and went back to his old job at the glassworks.
I must buzz off for the day now as I have an elderly mother to look after.
Kind regards
Kate

Yes Kate..i so rude yet this is what someone posted to me

Today at 06:19
Hi Julie,
Thanks for the lesson, I also didn't know what to do.
Now with your instructions I do.
Not everyone is computer word savy,so thanks for taking the time to explain to us.
Cate

Thank you all for your help I think with your help and some others I have got a lot of information to give the lady I am trying to help with this.

Thank you all very much.

Christine

Kate can I please ask where you found this bit of information

Zilpha followed in December 1883, Pontefract, 9c 58

I have looked on free bmd, Ancestry and full index but can't see it.

Christine

Hi Chistine
i would just like to add i too have had problems with Julie she was rude to me too but i put her in her place . we are all on here for the same thing so should all get on .Anyway keep up the good work with your husband
God bless Alyson

Thank you Alyson

Christine

Hi Christine,

The death of Zilpha Procter is regisitered Dec qtr 1883, just on the full indexes not on transcribed.

Christine

Alyson

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Yesterday at 19:57
Hi Chistine
i would just like to add i too have had problems with Julie she was rude to me too but i put her in her place .

What for trying to explain to you T&C state 1 thread per topic


If you want to go there then i might as well say you were very rude to me too

Hi Christine,
I scrolled through the full indexes as Christine says. Zilpha's death was not on the transcribed pages.
Kate