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Iam trying to trace Henry Oxley married to Mary

Son Henry b city london cripplegate On sons birth cert Henry as father occ. Printer..Also same on his sons marriage cert..

On 1871 census Ancestry his wife states widow. but son married 1877. cannot find any further back..can anyone help me.

On GR 1841 census is not him as wife must be mary.

Can anyone help me.

Can you give us some dates? When were Henry and his son born?

Sorry. Henry 1847-1892 married Annie. 1877.
His father dates not known.

On son's birth certificate, what was his mother's full name?

Can you post the 1871 census for info?

Sorry not got his birth thats another one..But have his marriage.. On 1871 census

Mother...Mary 52 widow
James 32
Henry 26
Thomas 16
Elizabeth 14 address 5 Rutland court.

You need to get a birth certificate of one of the children then, to get full name of Mary.

I have now found 1871 information, it would be helpful if you could post all the available information, then we could start helping straight away rather than waste time looking for census info that you already have...

Mary Oxley, head, widow, 52, charwoman, born Moor Square, Cripplegate
James Oxley, son, unmarr, 32, general dealer, born Moor Square, Cripplegate
Henry Oxley, son, 26, general dealer, born ???Court, Cripplegate
Thomas Oxley, son, unmarr, 16, newspaper dealer, born Cripplegate
Elizabeth Oxley, dau, unmarr, 14, artifical flower maker, Cripplegate.

I will have a look on earlier census's now I know where/when these people were born.

Are you certain that the Henry on 1841 isn't the right one? HIs wife there appears to be Helen. As the age of James matches almost, maybe Helen died and Henry remarried?

With a 10 year gap between Henry & Thomas, Mary may not be Henry's mum

on 1871 census it states mary as mother What other info do you want Sam

any luck Sam

Linda

the fact that a census states someone is the mother (or father) does not always mean that that person is actually the mother.

There are many many examples of second marriages where it is only digging by us that proves that.

Many people didn't have long lives in those days, death in childbirth was common, etc etc.

You have to be flexible, and realise that our ancestors diid not tell the enumerators everything ...... or that the enumerators were themselves not flexible. If a kid lived with a man and a woman, well they must be his father and mother ........ no ifs, ands or buts about it!!



The other fact you have to accept ... is that not all the information on a marriage certificate may be true.

The father may be correct, but son didn't tell vicar father was dead 'cos the vicar didn't ask that question ... so that answers the discrepancy betrween Mary being a widow on the cnesus before the marriage.


OR there may not have been a father, ie, the child may have illegitimate, and just made up a father's name to put on the marriage certificate 'cos it looked "better" for his inlaws.


Don't be in such a hurry to discount information, and don't always believe what you see or are told!!


The only way you can be absolutely sure that you have the right relationships is to get the birth certificate and marriage certificate (bearing in mind what I have just said about fahters' names on the latter).



sylvia

I presume this is your Henry

Information from the Mormon site, an Extracted record

HENRY OXLEY Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: ANNIE AGNES BURKE Family
Marriage: 23 DEC 1877 Saint Giles Cripplegate, London, London, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M025772 1817 - 1837 0380212 Film 6903743 Film

M025772 1837 - 1842 0380213 Film NONE

M025772 1842 - 1846 0380214 Film NONE

M025772 1846 - 1850 0380215 Film NONE

M025772 1850 - 1854 0380216 Film NONE

M025772 1854 - 1860 0380217 Film NONE

M025772 1860 - 1866 0380218 Film NONE

M025772 1866 - 1874 0380219 Film NONE

M025772 1874 - 1885 0380220 Film NONE


sylvia

let's see what happens if we follow the 1841 through


Name: James Oxley
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Giles Without Cripplegate
Hundred: London Without the Walls
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Helen Oxley 28 b.ca 1813, Middlesex
Henry Oxley 27 b.ca 1814, Middlesex, Labourer
James Oxley 4

Adress:- Butlers Alley

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a death of an Ellen

Deaths Jun 1848 (>99%)

OXLEY Ellen Chelsea 3 43

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Ellen/Helen Oxley not found on a census after 1841

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probably Henry's birth registration .... East London is the registration district that includes Cripplegate

Births Sep 1846 (>99%)

Oxley Henry E London 2 218

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I dare to suggest that father Henry was married twice.

His first wife Helen/Ellen was the mother of James and Henry, she died, and his second wife (could be common-law) was the mother of Thomas and Elizabeth.


sylvia

BTW

I don't understand the contradiction between these two statemnts:-

in header statement:-

Son Henry b city london cripplegate On sons birth cert Henry as father occ. Printer..Also same on his sons marriage cert..



BUT then:-

Sam asked:- Yesterday at 18:30
On son's birth certificate, what was his mother's full name?

Can you post the 1871 census for info?

Your answer:-
Linda O Yesterday at 18:38
Sorry not got his birth thats another one..But have his marriage.. On 1871 census



If you don't have his birth certificazte, how do you know his father is Henry???



sylvia

Because its on his marriage to Annie Burke (first wife) I have certificate and it on his marriage to second wife martha spence. both give father a Henry Oxley occ...Printer. Thnak you for all information....

Even more confision.....on 1851 census Ancestry I foound Ellen Oxley 28 Henry Oxley 30 No children
Same house... William Oxley Jane Oxley son Henry....But address is 1 vine court moor lane..

On 1881 census Henry 1847 was born Moor lane..

OK Sylvia iam going to apply for Henry 1847 birth cert...but I cannot find the reg no's for him. As you live in Canada the time gap means you are most probbaly still in bed..I will ask the other people on the team to find it for me...but that puts as back to finding Henrys father..can you help any anyone reading this....thank you..

Its free to search on this site

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Sylvia gave you Henry's details. - E. London.

errrrrr

I'm not "on the team"




There is no team




we are all just members like you who have paid a subscription to join GR, but who spend a lot of our time helping others.


GR does not have a team of helpers ... despite the implications in their advertising, all help on here is given by volunteer members who just like to do genealogy, and like to help those up against a brick wall.



I can't actually give you much more help than I already have .... until you get that birth certificate.


sylvia

I have copied the information I gave you last night


The last two numbers after E London are the GRO reference numbers that you need to order the certificate rom www.gro.gov.uk


Births Sep 1846 (>99%)

Oxley Henry E London 2 218




sylvia