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Please could anyone help me trace John Charles Johnson. I have his marriage certificate to Elizabeth Boswell on 7th February 1886 in St Peter's Church Birmingham. he is age 29 and his father's name is Thomas Johnson.

I also have him on the 1881 Census living at 16 Charles Henry Street with the Caldicotts and his father who is widowed.

Can anyone find him before 1881 as I am trying to find out where he wwas born and his mothers name so I can get his birth certificate.

Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

alison

Hi Alison

just to let you know you don't need his mothers name to find his B/C

Julie

PS..can you post the 1881 details can i can't see them

On the 1881 census it says that John born Aston, Warwickshire and his father Thomas at Bromsgrove, Worcestershire.

Jennifer

Julie,

I know i don;t need his mother's name to find his birth certificate, what I meant to say was I want his birth certificate to find his mother's name.


1881 England Census
about John C. Johnson
Name: John C. Johnson
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Gender: Male
Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 16 Charles Henry St

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Boot Pressman

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Ann Caldicott 37
Clara Caldicott 1
Edwin R. Caldicott 10
Elizabeth A. Caldicott 14
George T. Caldicott 5
John H. Caldicott 36
Maria Caldicott 4
William C. Caldicott 8
John C. Johnson 24
Thomas Johnson 55 was a widower

Rutland Belle

There are no John Charles Johnsons born in Aston on BMD around the time he was born, or at least none that I found.

Alison

Got to go now but will check back tomorrow lunchtime. If anyone can find Thomas and John Charles Johnson before 1881 I would be gratefull of any information as I have tried on many occasions and just cannot find anything.

Thanks Julie and Rutland Belle for the info so far.

Alison

Alison, I know what you mean, John and Thomas seem to have appeared out of nowhere!! I just can't find them anywhere. On later census returns it just says Birmingham for place of birth of John. As you say there are no John Charles in the index only John.
I'll keep looking, Jennifer

I also looked for most of last night and found nothing. I had a thought that Thomas may have had two names and have been known by another on earlier census but got nowhere with that.

John Charles birth year seems to vary between 1856 and 59 in the various census, but that hasn't helped much. The only other thought is that John Charles was only registered as John and there are births of about 3 John's between 1856-9 in the Aston and Birmingham Reg District!

Good Luck and will also keep looking Kay

You are both real stars. I have been trying on and off on this one for ages and never get any further.

I might try ordering some John Johnson birth certificates with Thomas as a reference check and see if they throw up anything.

Thanks for all your help

If you do find anything and cannot find this thread then please e.mail me.

Alison

Got him in 1871 - I think!!!

1871

Name: Thomas Johnson
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Aston
Town: Deritend
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Johnson 15 Lithographic Printer Apprentice b Birmingham Edgebaston
Thomas Johnson 41 Brass burnisher b Birmingham Edgebaston


1861

Name: Thomas Johnson
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Birm, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Butterton 39 Lodger
Ann Elwell 25 Lodger
John Howard 21 Lodger
Charls Johnson 4
Elizabeth Johnson 36
Thomas Johnson 35 Brass founder
William Johnson 1

All born Warwickshire Birmingham

Thanks for that K. I was wondering if his mother had died in child birth. It's loveley to see them before 1881 as noone who had helped me before had managed to find them.

I guess William and Elizabeth must have died in the years between census. There are so many Elizabeth Johnsons who died in Birmimgham in those years I guess I will never find out what she died from.

Thanks again I really appreciate it as well as the message you sent.

Alison