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Hi,
I've been searching the census records of 1841 to try and discover the parents of John Bown. John was born in Chalford, Gloucester in about 1827 and married Sarah Panter (1826) in about 1846. I managed to find Sarah living in Gloucester in the census records but have had no luck with John. Any help as always would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks
Chris

In order to narrow it down, you could order the marriage cert which would hopefully give you Johns fathers name and occupation:

Marriages Jun 1846 (>99%)
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Panter Sarah Glo'ster 11 428


Regards Linda :)

Oh right, thanks for that. Ill have to look into getting that one. I was unaware that marriage certs gave details on parents. Thanks for the help!

There are two possibilities on the 1841 census, but not knowing Glouc I'm not sure which is more relevant to Chalford:

Name: John Bown
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Avening
Hundred: Longtree
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Stroud
Sub registration district: Horsley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Bown 35
Elizabeth Bown 40
Thomas Bown 14
John Bown 11
Jane Bown 8
Nancy Bown 5
Harriet Bown 3

Shall have to copy and paste the second one in a sec. Bearing in mind that ages were always wrong by 5 years for some reason. Regards Linda :)

And this:

Name: John Bown
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Horsley
Hundred: Longtree
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Stroud
Sub registration district: Horsley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Bown 35
Elizabeth Bown 35
Elizabeth Bown 10
John Bown 9
Sarah Bown 6
Enock Bown 3

Regards Linda :) PS the fathers name is nearly always given unless of course they didn't know who he was!

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Parishes.html#C

Linda - In 1841 adult (15+) ages were supposed to be rounded down to a mult of 5, so actually the most they should be off by is 4 y

How strange. Any reason why they did that? I guess thats why I have been having trouble finding him. Thanks for the two posts from 1841. They both look promising. I will get hold of his marriage certificate within the next couple of weeks or so to see if it lists his fathers name and occupation. Thanks again!

I don't know, but my guess is they were intending to tabulate stuff, and had predetermined they were going to use 5 y sized chunks for the ages. They didn't really know how useful censuses were (or might be) in 1841.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1119270

For future ref, Christopher, you should really continue discussion of a single family in the same thread. Saves people "finding" things like the Panter-Bown marriage all over again.

Thank you all for the help and advice and my apologies for splitting my questions into seperate threads. Wasn't totally sure how this forum worked! Just want to say the speed of responce on here is amazing and thanks again. I had a quick look at some parish record for John Bown but Im still none the wiser! lol. If I find anything I will let you know.

Cheers
Chris

I received the marriage certificate for John and Sarah. John's dad was also called John and was a weaver!

The Bowns that Linda found in 1841 --

The family in Horsley: father John is a "Clothworker".
Horsley is about 4 miles southwest of Chalford.
There are other clothworkers on the page, but others specifically called "Weaver".

The family in Avening: father John is a "Woollen Weaver".
Avening is about 2 miles east of Horsley, 3 miles south of Chalford.

Unfortunately, I think you'll find that just about everybody in that area works in clothmaking in one capacity or another!

This is Sarah in 1841?

Name: Sarah Panter
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary de Lode
Registration district: Gloucester

James Panter 36
Elizabeth Panter 40
Sarah Panter 16
James Panter 14
Eliza Panter 2
Emma Panter 7 Mo

(You can check the father's name against the marriage cert for certainty now.)

I looked in 1851 for people born in Chalford, and they seem to be enumerated in Bisley. Sure enough:

Civil Parish: Bisley
Ecclesiastical parish: Chalford
County/Island: Gloucestershire

Checked for your John in Bisley in 1841, but no luck.

There is one household of Bowns there in 1841:

Name: Benjamin Bown
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Bisley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Registration district: Stroud

Benjamin Bown 30
Mary Bown 25
Thomas Bown 5
Elner Bown 2


Benjamin *could* be a brother of your John's father John, just to give you something to hunt for. ;)

Searched for Baw* as well as Bow* but no good matches.


A possibly interesting (although submitted) record in the IGI:

JOHN BOWEN
Spouse: ELIZABETH SHARP
Marriage: 15 OCT 1826 Avening, Gloucester, England
Batch Number: 8311731

If you search here

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

for

surname BOWN with soundex ON
county Gloucestershire
parish Bisley

there are three Bown/Bowen marriages in the early 1800s so far transcribed.

Keep checking back there, and someday ...

Ive been struggling still to find the John Bown who is the father of the John who married Sarah Panter in the 1841 census. I thought I had them living in Avening
John Bown 35 Woolen Weaver
Elizabeth 40
Thomas 14
John 11
Jane 8
Nancy 5
Harriet 3

Athough I have John (11) being born in 1827 in the 1851 census I thought the slight difference in age may be due to error. In 1851 he is married to Sarah Panter and my 4x Great Grandad, his son, is living with them. I then came across this census record which kind of proved that Id got the 1841 record wrong

Elizabeth Bown 50
Thomas 24
John 21
Jane 17
Nancy 15
Harriet 12
Martha 8

I havent been able to find another 1841 record for John Bown who relates to me. Are there any gaps in the census records for this year?