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Nigel
The fact remains that there was nowhere to report births marriages or deaths at that time ............ except for the vicar at the local church who conducted the ceremony and entered the information into the parish register(s).
Registration of bmds did not start in the UK until July 1 1837, and that is when Registrars were appointed with the responsibility of maintaining what later became the Registry Office. Records from the Registry Office were to be transferred to the General Records Office (then in London) at 3 monthly intervals
Even that became complicated ................... it was the responsibility of the vicar to relay information on marriages and burials to the Registrar at regular intervals.
It was the responsibility of the Registrar to record births that occurred anywhere within his area of jurisdiction ........ which meant he had to find out that babies had been born and then visit the mother to record the information.
As you may imagine, many births went unrecorded!!
In mid-1875 (or? 1877), the law was changed so that it became the MOTHER's responsibility to report a birth to the Registrar within 6 weeks of the birth. There was a fine for not reporting.
I know nowhere else where you might be able to find recorded the name of the father of the children. In my humble opinion ..... it is very likely that if the father had married the mother but died before the birth or baptism of the children, then his name would have been recorded by the vicar.
Remember, vicars were sticklers for propriety!!!
The only possible thing is that the vicar at the time MIGHT have been one of those who made notes in the margin of the register as to the putative father of the child(ren) ........ but again this would mean that the parents were not married.
IF Robert Kirkby was the father, and IF you can obtain or see that will ...... then the children or wife could well be mentioned in that.
Of course ..... it could always be that Kirkby was a common name in the area.
sylvia
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Sylvia,
I am quite happy to accept that my ancestors were born out of wedlock however I do question your certainty as to the procedures at the time. I found this record in the same IGI batch.
JENNY KIRKBY Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
15 JUN 1783 Cockerham, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Mother: MARGT MRS KIRKBY
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
P007282 1659 - 1875 0093717,0093718 Film 6904275 Film
Sheet: 00
Maybe they did things differently in Cockerham or perhaps they were just being kind to the fast and lose Peggy Kirkby?
Cheers
Nigel
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Nigel
the father didn't report it
No-one reported it
If there is no father's name, then there was no father and the children were illegitimate.
The Hugh Wallis site has the EXTRACTED records taken from the International Genealogical Index on www.familysearch.org ....................... records extracted from the parish register
Whatever is on there was recorded by the priest at baptism time.
Hugh Wallis was apparently tired of trying to sort out extracted from submitted records, so he decided to pull the extracted records together in a separate site ........ at first I gather it was for his own personal use, but then he realised that it would be useful to everyone
He has not however updated the site since 2004 ............ so one still has to check on familysearch for more recent updates to the database
sylvia
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Hi Margaret,
Certainly possible but also the father could have died before the birth or be too infirm to report it.
Cheers
Nigel
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Surely if only mother's name is given then the children are illegitimate and mother's maiden name was Kirby?
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Thanks Jennifer, yes that is where I got my original information from.
I suspect the father of the twins was Robert Kirkby (Widower) who married a Margaret Bains (possibly Peggy) in Cockerham 27-Feb-1796, Robert I think died shortly afterwards I have record of a will being filed for a Robert Kirkby of Cockerham in 1797 in the archdeaconary of Richmond.
A Margaret Kirkby (Widow) then married a Thomas Emley (Widower) in 1797.
I would really like to find out more about Robert Kirkby.
What a complex web this one is.
Cheers
Nigel
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they are both on Hugh Wallis IGI site, but no father
NANNY KIRKBY Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 MAR 1796 Cockerham, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Mother: PEGGY KIRKBY
WILLIAM KIRKBY Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 MAR 1796 Cockerham, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Mother: PEGGY KIRKBY
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
P007282 1659 - 1875 0093717,0093718 Film 6904275 Film
there are a lot of Kirkby baptisms on the site
PS sorry just realised you probably have this info. Having looked at church records for other areas I don't think the original will give you any more information.
Jennifer
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I am looking for as much information on the Kirkby family in Cockerham Lancashire before 1800, I live in Perth Australia so searching church records is not as easy for me however I am planning a field trip next year. I am especially looking for the parents of the twins William and Nanny Kirkby born 1796 in Cockerham, I have their mother as Peggy from the church records but I know nothing else.
Cheers
Nigel
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