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could anyone help me please, my grandfather Rupert Lyle born around 1860 married Maud Ethel Hancock Sept 1919. That is all I can find out about the man. I have the record for death 1938 St.Pancres, if this is him. On wedding cert. it say father Rupert William, who also doesnt exist either..!!! Any ideas gratefully received. thanks. Jan

On the marriage index it has his name as RuBert and not RuPert.. I wonder if this is a mis-transcription of Robert. There is this birth:-


Name: Robert Lyle
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 632

Kath. x

If the name IS Robert then this could be him in 1861 census (father also Robert):-

Name: Robert Lyle
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Rhoda
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil parish: Plumstead
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Windsor Terrace, Maxey Street

Occupation: His father is a furnace man.

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Plumstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age

Robert Lyle 29
Rhoda Lyle 35
Rhoda Lyle 3
Robert Lyle 1

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 409; Folio: 119; Page: 6; GSU roll: 542632.

Kath. x

Are any of the witnesses on the marriage certificate Lyle's?

Kath. x

Hi Kath
thanks for replying and info, I know it definately is Rupert .witnesses Thos. Jas Hancock (other grandfather definately) Annie Marriott. Rupert was 58 and Maud was 25! address battersea him batchelor and her spinster
Jan

There are no births on Ancestry for a Rupert Lyle in the 1800's. I'd still be inclined to think it may be Robert and the name just changed over the years to Rupert.

Kath. x

Heres the marriage from freebmds.

Rupert Lyle married Maud E Hancock 1919 sept qt Wandsworth 1d 1815.

Just a thought but Lyle could be a Scottish name

Another possibility is he wasnt born as Lyle

What occupation did Rupert have on his marriage cert.?

Also what occupation did his father Rupert William have?

Hi
you lot are so clever! Ive been looking at the marriage cert. and never noticed that the hancocks also lived at 220 battersea bridge road, even though I have been doing their tree as well,
thank you all so much
Jan

also didnt realise that I wasnt answering in the right place so that everyone could see message
definately having a moment!
Jan

Robert Lyle 1860 is engine pattern maker in 1901

Robert William Lyle retired furnace man. I suppose he could be called of independent means

wow
how did you find this you are brilliant
Jan

do you think he could have changed his name for some reason some dodgy dealings or something
jan

im wondering if as a patten maker he would make machines for the taylor chalk industry so there could be a connection with the Hancocks, my great grandfather Thomas James had plenty of fingers in plenty of pies, would a furness man burn chalk?
jan

Janice.
I dont know if you have access to Ancestry to look at the 1901 census.

If not on GR there are 1841-1901 census.
The 1901 gives you age, where people are born and occupations Also the area they are living in but not the address
You can do a free search but need to pay for additional information.

However once you found who you think is your man you can then ask other GR members do do a census look up for you

Hi quinsgran
I am a member of ancestery and have spent many hours trawling through every Lyle that existed on record to no avail,,probably if I had more info it would be useful, but do not know anything other than what is on my dads birth certificate, marriage cert. and the marriage of Rupert and Maud
thanks for your help anyway
Jan

When was your father born?

Tracey x

Hi Tracey
Nov. 1919 2 months after the 'wedding'
also another brother Charles born to same parents, 1923
Jan