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Hi,
I would love to find any descendents of the family of Robert Jones born Dolwyddelan and his daughter Sarah who married David Evans and lived at Bontuchaf. My great grandmother was the daughter of David's son, David David Evans.
I would appreciate any help in tracing any descendents of this branch of the family.
Thanks for listening
Annette

You need to put some dates ... asking for help with Evans and Jones in Wales is a tall order even with dates ...

Jill

Thank you Jill for replying. I realise that it is a very tall order that I could trace any descendent of mine but one can hope. Thank you for the pointers as to how to use the site properly,
Annette

Any dates then, Annette? ;)

for the record

Dolwyddelan, Welsh language : 'the meadow of Gwyddelan', is a village and community in Conwy county borough, north Wales, on the main A470 road between Blaenau Ffestiniog and Betws-y-Coed. The name of the village translates as "Gwyddelan's meadow", referring to the 5th or 6th century Saint Gwyddelan, after whom the parish church is named.

According to the United Kingdom Census 2001, 55.1% of the residents of the town could speak Welsh.

The village is particularly noted for Dolwyddelan Castle, the reputed birthplace of Prince Llywelyn ap Iorwerth (Llywelyn the Great). It has a railway station on the Conwy Valley Line.

Nearby mountains include Moel Siabod to the north, Moel Penamnen and Y Ro Wen to the south and, further afield, Snowdon (Yr Wyddfa) lies approximately 10 miles to the west. Carreg Alltrem, a crag used by many rock climbers, can be found about a mile south of the village.

so where is it - where does Llanllechid fit in?

for the record again

"LLANLLECHID, a parish in the hundred of Uchaf, county Carnarvon, 4 miles S.E. of Bangor, its post town, and 10 N.E. of Carnarvon. It is situated on the river Ogwen, and includes seven hamlets, the principal being Bethesda and Tal-y-bont

1851 census for Llanlllechid



586 Caellwyngryd Evans Daniel Head M 28 Quarryman CAE, Llanllechid
611 Gatehouse Evans Daniel Son U 29 Carpenter CAE, Llanllechid
448 Gwaengwial Evans David Son U 3 CAE, Llanllechid
490 High St. Bethesda Evans David Head M 25 Tailor MER, Dolgellau
491 High St. Bethesda Evans David Servant U 19 Farm Labourer CAE, Llanllechid
516 Pant Cleder Evans David Son U 17 CAE, Llanllechid
569 Rachub Village Evans David Son U 8 Scholar CAE, Llanllechid
629 Tair Meibion Evans David Son U 37 Farm Worker CAE, Llanllechid

440 Tyn y Maes Village Jones Robert Son U 2m CAE, LLandegai
441 Ty Gwyn Nant Jones Robert Servant U 17 Farm Labourer CAE, Llanllechid
443 Helig Jones Robert Head M 46 Labourer DEN, Llanrwst
451 Braichmelyn Village Jones Robert Son U 21 Quarryman CAE, Llanllechid
456 Tyntwr Village Jones Robert Head M 51 Quarryman CAE, Llandwrog
461 Cae Berllan Jones Robert Son U 9 CAE, Llanllechid
463 Penygraig Jones Robert Son U 26 Quarryman AGY, Llanfaelog
463 Braichmelyn Village Jones Robert Head M 56 Quarryman CAE, LLandegai
463 Braichmelyn Village Jones Robert Son U 21 Quarryman CAE, Llanllechid
471 Pant Jones Robert Son U 1 CAE, Llanllechid
473 Gerlan Jones Robert Head M 28 Slate Dresser CAE, Trefriw
474 Fron Bant Jones Robert Son U 17 Quarryman CAE, Llanllechid
477 Parc Jones Robert Lodger W 42 Quarryman CAE, Dolwyddelan
479 Cil Twllan Jones Robert Lodger U 31 Quarryman CAE, Llanbedr y Cennin
479 Gwerwydd Jones Robert Head M 39 Quarryman CAE, Caerhun
486 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Son U 7 CAE, Llanllechid
487 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Son U 6m CAE, Llanllechid
491 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Head U 38 Book Seller CAE, Dwygyfylchi
497 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Head M 27 Quarryman AGY, Holyhead
497 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Head M 28 Quarryman AGY, Pentraeth
501 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Son U 5 CAE, LLandegai
502 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Lodger U 23 Miner CAE
505 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Head W 48 Shoemaker LAN, Liverpool
512 Tan y Ffordd Jones Robert Lodger U 21 Joiner CAE, Clynnog Fawr
512 Tan y Ffordd Jones Robert Son U 6 CAE, Llanllechid
514 Pant Dreiniog Jones Robert Head M 52 Quarryman CAE, Llanllechid
522 Twr Bethesda Jones Robert Son U 2 CAE, Llanllechid
523 Bryn Fedwen Jones Robert Head M 44 Carrier CAE, Conwy
524 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Son U 2m CAE, Llanllechid
524 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Son U 6 CAE, Llanllechid
535 Cilfedau Jones Robert Servant U 18 Agric Labourer AGY, Penmynydd
537 Bont Uchaf Jones Robert Head W 60 Quarryman CAE, Llanllechid
538 Bont Uchaf Jones Robert Son U 4 CAE, Llanllechid
541 Carneddi Jones Robert Son U 14 Quarryman CAE, Llanllechid
543 Llidiart Gwenyn Jones Robert Son U 7 CAE, Llanllechid
544 Llidiart Gwenyn Jones Robert Head M 44 Quarryman AGY, Llanfair
558 Public House Jones Robert Head M 42 Quarryman CAE, LLandegai
559 Tainycoed Jones Robert Servant U 83 Farm Servant CAE, Llanllechid
568 Rachub Village Jones Robert Head W 54 Quarryman CAE, Abergwyngregin
570 Caellwyngryd Jones Robert Son U 18 CAE, Bangor
576 Caellwyngryd Jones Robert Son U 10m CAE, Llanllechid
578 Caellwyngryd Jones Robert Head M 65 Quarryman CAE, Llanfairfechan
584 Caellwyngryd Jones Robert Head M 54 Smith FLN, Tremeirchion
589 Caellwyngryd Jones Robert Son U 2 CAE, Abergwyngregin
589 Caellwyngryd Jones Robert Servant U 18 Shoemaker CAE, Abergwyngregin
598 Penybryn Jones Robert Head M 52 Farmer CAE, Llanllechid
615 Tyn Lon Jones Robert Head M 63 Agric Labourer CAE, Beddgelert
616 Talbont Uchaf Jones Robert Servant U 21 Agric Labourer CAE, Clynnog Fawr
617 Caban Coch Jones Robert Son U 16 CAE, Llanllechid
625 Cefnfaes Newydd Jones Robert Servant U 23 Farm Labourer CAE, Llanstumdwy
626 Bryn Pella Jones Robert Son U 21 Quarryman CAE, Llanllechid
497 High St. Bethesda Jones Robert Morris Head M 36 Quarryman DEN, Llanrwst

1851 again - Llanllechid

537 Bont Uchaf Jones Robert Head W 60 Quarryman CAE, Llanllechid
538 Bont Uchaf Jones Elinor Head M 28 CAE, Llanllyfni
538 Bont Uchaf Jones Robert Son U 4 CAE, Llanllechid
538 Bont Uchaf Jones Morris Son U 2 CAE, Llanllechid

538 Bont Uchaf Jones Margaret Head W 63 CAE, Llanddeiniolen

take a look at this

GENUKI: 1851 Census, Llanllechid - Folios 537 to 541
537, Bont Uchaf, Jones, Robert, Head, W, 60, Quarryman, CAE, Llanllechid. 538, Bont Uchaf, Prichard, Elizabeth, Servant, U, 13, CAE, Llanllechid ...

www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Llanllechid/Llanll... - 30k - Similar pages

Ann ... what on earth is all that??

Robert Jones was apparently the great-grandfather of Annette's great-grandmother, as I read the opening post.

Robert Jones
his daughter Sarah Jones married David Evans
their son was David Evans
his daughter was Annette's great-grandmother

making Robert Jones Annette's greatx4 grandfather, and thus quite likely pre-census and pre-registration. No way to know for sure without at least one little bitty date, though?

JONES , OWEN GETHIN ( Gethin ; 1816 - 1883 ), local historian ; b. 1 May 1816 at Tyn-y-cae , Penmachno, Caerns. , to Owen and Grace Jones .
The father was a stone mason , and the son was brought up in that craft, but later on became a carpenter , then a builder , and finally a contractor on a fairly large scale. He m. ( 1843 ) Ann (d. 1873 ), daughter of Robert Jones , a very well-known drover , of Bwlch Bach , Dolwyddelan . In 1852 he bought the holding of Tyddyn Cethin , and transformed the homestead and its land alike. With all this business ability, Gethin was a good littérateur , a poet of some mark, and especially a well-informed local historian , as is shown by his printed parish histories of Penmachno , Ysbyty Ifan , and Dolwyddelan . He was paralysed at the beginning of 1882 , and d. 29 Jan. 1883 . In 1884 a volume entitled Gweithiau Gethin was published; it includes the histories mentioned above, and has a biographical introduction on which the present note is based.

Author:
Emeritus Professor Robert Thomas Jenkins, C.B.E., D.Litt., Ll.D., F.S.A., (1881-1969), Bangor.

Jones - Archives Wales:
13 Aug 2009 ... Jones , D. R. (David R.) (Jones | David Richard | Dolwyddelan (Wales); ...... Jones , Robert Ambrose , | 1848-1906 USE Emrys ap Iwan ...

www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/browse_index.php?ty... - 270k - Similar pages

http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/browse_index.php?type=persons&page=list9
[DOC]RICHARD JONES OWEN --- GLASLYN 1831 – 1909
The family appears to have originated from the Dolwyddelan area, which is between ... At whose birth we were present and Registered by Robert Jones Roberts; ...

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http://www.doctor.gp/felenrhyd/Documents/Awaiting%20Processing/xeb%20Dad%202nd%20Nov%202002%20details/FelRh078aAOGlasRO.doc

I'm enoying myself on google!!!!

I can't believe the response I've got! Thank you. Okay so here are some dates - My Great Grandmother, Catherine Evans was born in Bontuchaf in 1875. Her father David Evans was born in 1843. Her mother's name was Sarah and we believe that Robert Jones was her father and that he was born in Dolwyddelan in around 1811. So that would make him my 3x great grandfather. Sorry to confuse you Janey. (David Evans Jr was Catherines brother).
Have taken a look at the census information Ann and have reached the conclusion that the most likely candidates for the roles of the aboveare no 569 For David and 477 for Robert.
We know that the family lived in the same cottage in Bontuchaf for at least 100 years which made the more recent census entries for the family easier to find.
Thank you all again for your help.
Annette

So he was one of the possibles I'd looked at ... and now that I look closer, we have an Evans in the household!


1891

Name: Robert Jones
Age: 81
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Relation: Father-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Dolwyddelan, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llanllechid
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Registration district: Bangor

Cadwaladar Elliss 49
Jane Elliss 49
Elizabeth M Evans 11
Robert Jones 81
Elija Williams 18

Name: Elizabeth M Evans
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethesda, Caernarvonshire, Wales


Possibly? --

Name: Cadwaladr Ellis
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bangor
County: Anglesey, Caernarvonshire, Gwynedd
Volume: 11b
Page: 887

Two brides on page: Jane Jones and Mary Jones.


Any help??

And there was me thinking it would be practically impossible!

Pah!

Easy-peasy ...

Now Janey - if you can just find my grandfather's birth reg (1884) or any of his siblings (1875 - 1894) or any of their baptisms, or their mother's maiden name ???? Surname Simmons - which is much much much easier than Evans or Jones !!

LOL

Jill

Well as you know, Ms.G -- if I could find *my* gr-grfather, I must be able to find anything!

You got a thread link? Send it on! ;)


But I know -- I was about to send for FannyByGaslight when I first read Evans and Jones ... just to torment her ...

my cat is called Cadwaladr!!!!