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Suttons of Liverpool

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alviegal

alviegal Report 16 Jan 2018 15:27

Nudged up for Maria.

Maria

Maria Report 9 Jun 2015 18:35

Thanks SAFC for your help and thanks to alviegal omg you have now sat the cat among the pigeons. Where do i start.

John and Ann who married are both called Sutton that is going to be a nightmare i'm confused already.
In one of the 1881 census you have Richard sutton Married but you found out that he was widowed before that.
Im sure the John Sutter born in 1834 the naughty one is him but why Dorset.
Noticed the EDWIN and ALFRED died as infants thats why didn't recognise names.
All the names on 1841 census is amazing thanks

Do you think the John born in 1800's birth keeps changing is this quite common?

The Alice Holland b1790.who is that as I have an Alice Holland Sutton born in 1858 to John and Ann Sutton.

THanks again you must be exhausted now.

I have been looking for years my grandad was illigitimate but we have found his BC in 2007
and we now know his real name B1909 I can now trace his real fathers family to 1790's but cannot move forward as the last info i have on him is 1911 census. then he vanished rumour has it that he died in about 1940-50. (my grandads real dad)
Long story but if you can help would appreciate you investigative skills.

Regards Maria

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Jun 2015 16:08

Ann with her family.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Speke, Childwall, Prescot, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Allice Sutton Female 50 1791 Lancashire, England
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Elizebeth Sutton Female 21 1820 Lancashire, England
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John Sutton Male 17 1824 Lancashire, England
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Thomas Sutton Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England
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Ellen Sutton Female 13 1828 Lancashire, England
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Ann Sutton Female 11 1830 Lancashire, England
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Richard Sutton Male 9 1832 Lancashire, England
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William Penington Male 27 1814 Lancashire, England
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Catharine Penington Female 23 1818 Lancashire, England



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gold Field Farm, Speke, Prescot, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alice Sutton Head Widow Female 60 1791 Farmer Aughton, Lancashire, England
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John Sutton Son Unmarried Male 27 1824 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Ann Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1830 Daughter Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Richard Sutton Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Richard Wyke Servant - Male 14 1837 House Servant Childwall, Lancashire, England


and her 2 brothers in 1861.



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Carr Lane, Speke, Prescot, Lancashire, England

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John Sutton Head Married Male 37 1824 Farmer Of 41 Acres Employing 3 Labourer And 1 Boy Speke, Lancashire, England
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Ellenor Sutton Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Lancaster, Lancashire, England
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Richard Sutton Son (reads son but is obviously brother)... Male 29 1832 - Speke, Lancashire, England
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Margaret Leadbetter Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 House Servant Speke, Lancashire, England
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George Trueman Servant Unmarried Male 18 1843 Farm Servant Speke, Lancashire, England
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Joseph Crosby Nephew - Male 12 1849 Scholar Holme, Westmorland, England
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Henry Crosby Nephew - Male 8 1853 Scholar Holme, Westmorland, England


A trre on ancestry has this for her parents.




Alice Holland
Birth 1790 in Formby, Lancashire, England
Death 3 November 1854 in Lancashire, United Kingdom





Richard Sutton
Birth 05 JUN 1787 in Details: Baptisms: 5 Jun 1787 St Andrew, Maghull, Lancashire, England Richard Sutton - Son of John Sutton & Elizth. Register: Baptisms 1776 - 1812, Page 103, Entry 8 Source: LDS Film 1849659/Maghull, Lancashire, England
Death 1831 in Burial: 23 May 1831 St Thomas, Melling, Lancashire, England Richard Sutton - Age: 44 yrs Abode: Speke Buried by: Jas.Barnes Register: Burials 1813 - 1836, Page 74, Entry 586

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Jun 2015 15:53

This appears to be John with his parents. What a big family!!




1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Speke, Childwall, Prescot, Lancashire, England

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John Satten Male 35 1806 Lancashire, England
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Ann Satten Female 30 1811 Lancashire, England
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James Satten Male 11 1830 Lancashire, England
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Mary Satten Female 9 1832 Lancashire, England
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John Satten Male 7 1834 Lancashire, England
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Thomas Satten Male 6 1835 Lancashire, England
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William Satten Male 5 1836 Lancashire, England
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Robert Satten Male 4 1837 Lancashire, England
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Catharine Satten Female 2 1839 Lancashire, England
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Ann Satten Female 1 1840 Lancashire, England
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Margery Blundell Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England




1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Dam Wood Farm, Speke, Prescot, Lancashire, England

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John Sutton Head Married Male 47 1804 Farmer Halsall, Lancashire, England
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Ann Sutton Wife Married Female 43 1808 Farmer Wife Halsall, Lancashire, England
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James Sutton Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Farmer Son Halsall, Lancashire, England
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Mary Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 Farmer Daughter Childwall, Lancashire, England
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John Sutton Son - Male 17 1834 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Thomas Sutton Son - Male 16 1835 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England
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William Sutton Son - Male 15 1836 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Robert Sutton Son - Male 15 1836 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Catharine Sutton Daughter - Female 12 1839 Farmer Son Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Ann Sutton Daughter - Female 11 1840 Scholar Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Ellen Sutton Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Charles Sutton Son - Male 3 1848 Scholar Childwall, Lancashire, England
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Alice Sutton Daughter - Female 1 1850 Scholar Childwall, Lancashire, England





And 1861 when John has left.



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Speke Town Lane, Speke, Prescot, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Sutton Head Married Male 58 1803 Farmers 36 Acres Maghull, Lancashire, England
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Ann Sutton Wife Married Female 54 1807 Farmers Wife Lancashire, England
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William Sutton Son Unmarried Male 25 1836 Farmers Son Speke, Lancashire, England
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Robert Sutton Son Unmarried Male 23 1838 Farmers Son Speke, Lancashire, England
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Catharine Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 Farmers Daughter Speke, Lancashire, England
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Annie Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 Farmers Daughter Speke, Lancashire, England
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Ellen Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 Farmers Daughter Speke, Lancashire, England
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Charles Sutton Son Unmarried Male 13 1848 Farmers Son Speke, Lancashire, England
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Alice Sutton Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1850 Scholar Speke, Lancashire, England
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Annie Sutton Granddaughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 Scholar Speke, Lancashire, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Jun 2015 15:20



Name: Edwin Sutton
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 Sep 1862
Birth Place: Soho St, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1862
Baptism Place: St Peter's C of E, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: John Sutton
Mother: Ann Sutton
FHL Film Number: 1656562


Name: Edwin Sutton
Death: Oct 1862 - Liverpool, Lancashire




Name: John Sultan (Sutton)
Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1856
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's name: John Sultan, grrengrocer
Mother's name: Ann Sultan
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/44




Name: Alfred Sutton
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1859
Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1859
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's name: John Sutton, provision dealer of Everton
Mother's name: Ann Sutton
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/48

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Name: Alfred Sutton
Death: Oct 1859 - West Derby, Lancashire




Name: Richard Sutton
Birth Date: 26 Sep 1860
Baptism Date: 21 Oct 1860
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's name: John Sutton, provision dealer of John St
Mother's name: Ann Sutton
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/49


Name: Annie Sutton
Birth Date: 27 Aug 1863
Baptism Date: 9 Sep 1863
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's name: John Sutton, agent of Everton
Mother's name: Ann Sutton
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/54


Name: Elizabeth Sutton
Mother: Ann Sutton
Father: John Sutton, coal agent of Kensington
Birth: 1 Nov 1865
Baptism: 20 Nov 1865 - Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/58



Name: Amelia Pilkington Sutton
Birth Date: 3 Nov 1867
Baptism Date: 21 Nov 1867
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's name: John Sutton, agent of Kensington
Mother's name: Ann Sutton
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/61


Name: William Sutton
Birth Date: 23 Jan 1870
Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1870
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's name: John Sutton, coal dealer of Kensington
Mother's name: Ann Sutton
Reference Number: 283 PET/2/64






safc

safc Report 9 Jun 2015 15:02


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22, Hodder Street, Everton, West Derby, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas A Smith Head Married Male 23 1858 Hostler (Groom N D) Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Alice Smith Wife Married Female 23 1858 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Alfred Smith Son Single Male 2 1879 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Jane Smith Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Amelia Sutton Sister In Law Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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William Sutton Brother In Law Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Jun 2015 14:43

Oh dear, is this John in 1881?


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) John
Last name Sutton
Relationship Convict
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 46
Birth year 1835
Occupation Coal Agent
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed SPEAKE
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place England
House name Her Majestys Convict Prison
Street Portland Dorset
Town -
Parish Portland
County Dorset
Country England
Registration district Weymouth
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 2108
Folio 57


Which may fit in with this.



Home Office: Calendar of prisons Transcription

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First name(s) John
Last name Sutton
Age 41
Occupation Labourer
Birth year 1836
Year 1877
Session commencing day 19
Session commencing month Oct
Place Lancashire
Court Liverpool
Victim's first name(s)/alias Bridget
Victim's last name Murphy
Victim 2 first name(s)/alias Ann
Victim 2 last name Rowen
Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace
Series HO140
Piece number 38


Convicted of fraudulently obtaining a shilling from both victims. Had previously, in 1874, been sentenced to 4 months for fraud. Now sentenced to 15 months H.L with 7 years supervision P.C.A.


Name: John Sutton
Date of Trial: 20 Mar 1874
Trial Year: 1874
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment for 4 months
Crime: fraud
Date of Execution or Release: See Image




This may be how he ended up in Dorset.


Name: John Sutton
Date of Trial: 15 Apr 1879
Trial Year: 1879
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image



He was accused of fraud before being convicted for the crime. Sentenced to 5 years of penal servitude and 7 years police supervision.




There are a good many records for John Suttons in Lancs. Most of them are for fraud and larceny so most probably not all the same person.

There is one for a John who tried to 'unlawfully kill and murder himself' in 1887 for which he got 4 days in jail. That is terribly sad.

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Jun 2015 14:32

Death of Ann?

First name(s) ANN
Last name SUTTON
Gender Female
Birth year 1832
Age 39
Death quarter 3
Death year 1871
District WEST DERBY
County Lancashire
Volume 8B
Page 335

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Jun 2015 14:24

Looking at the 1861 census, they are living on Soho Street, same as the marriage I posted.

So was John a carter, turned greengrocer?


In 1871, he is a widower and a coal agent.

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Jun 2015 14:16

The census records have John 1835 born in Speke, Lancs.

safc

safc Report 9 Jun 2015 14:15

Name: William Sutton
Birth Date: 1870
Birthplace:
Age: 23
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Taylor
Spouse's Birth Date: 1873
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 02 Apr 1893
Event Place: St Mary Kirkdale, Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England
Father's Name: John Sutton
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: Daniel Taylor
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01180-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545940
Reference ID: it275, pg3, no6



Citing this Record:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFXT-YFL : accessed 9 June 2015), William Sutton and Elizabeth Taylor, 02 Apr 1893; citing St Mary Kirkdale, Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England, reference it275, pg3, no6; FHL microfilm 1,545,940.

safc

safc Report 9 Jun 2015 14:14

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1893
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SUTTON William TAYLOR Elizabeth Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/15/6

safc

safc Report 9 Jun 2015 14:02


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription
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First name(s) Alice Holland
Last name Sutton
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1858
Baptism date 04 Apr 1858
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Place Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Sutton
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name Sutton
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

alviegal

alviegal Report 9 Jun 2015 14:01

Possible marriage?


England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) John
Last name Sutton
Name note -
Marriage year 1855
Marriage date 21 Nov 1855
Marriage place Saint Nicholas,Liverpool,Lancashire,England

Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Sutton

Place Liverpool


EDIT Possibly not as here it is on ancestry. John is a carter. Both of Soho St.


Name: John Sutton
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 21 Nov 1855
Parish: Liverpool, St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Ann Sutton
Father's name: John Sutton, farmer
Spouse Father's Name: Richard Sutton, farmer
Reference Number: 283 NIC/3/50

safc

safc Report 9 Jun 2015 13:57

Births Mar 1858 (>99%)
Sutton Alice Holland W Derby 8b 353

safc

safc Report 9 Jun 2015 13:55

Baptism: 4 Apr 1858 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Alice Holland Sutton - [Child] of John Sutton & Ann
Abode: Everton
Occupation: Green Grocer
Baptised by: J. W. Welsh, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1858, Page 206, Entry 1646
Source: LDS Film 1656561

safc

safc Report 9 Jun 2015 13:53


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wightman Street, West Derby, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Sutton Head - Male 36 1835 - Lancashire, England
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John Sutton Son - Male 14 1857 - Lancashire, England
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Alice H Sutton Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Lancashire, England
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Richard Sutton Son - Male 10 1861 - Lancashire, England
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Annie Sutton Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Lancashire, England
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Elizabeth Sutton Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Lancashire, England
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Amelia Sutton Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Lancashire, England
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Williams Sutton Son - Male 1 1870 - Lancashire, England

safc

safc Report 9 Jun 2015 13:52


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
79, Soho Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Sutton Head Married Male 27 1834 Green Grocer -
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Ann Sutton Wife Married Female 31 1830 - -
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John Sutton Son - Male 4 1857 - -
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Allice H Sutton Daughter - Female 3 1858 - -
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Richard Sutton Son - Male 0 1861 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Mary Ann McKay Servant - Female 10 1851 Servant Ireland

Maria

Maria Report 9 Jun 2015 13:39

I have been searching for years on Info on a william sutton of Liverpool, I believe I have now found the right family.
Is there anyone who is also researching Suttons of Liverpool.
My William Sutton was born 1870-1872 son of John sutton B1835 and Ann sutton 1830 not sure of her maiden name.

Williams siblings
John b1857
Alice H b1858 Married Thomas Smith
Richard b 1861
Annie b 1864
Elizabeth B1866
Amelia 1869
William 1870/2

I believe william married a Elizabeth Taylor and Had William b 1894, Daniel Thomas b1896, John 1898, Richard b1900 I think Elizabeth died in 1905 then he married a Catherine Kitty
Sutton nee Baker formally Hughes 1910 and had a child John b 1911.
Has anyone got any further info form me.

Regards Maria