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I am trying to research my husband's grandmother.

Name: Eliza Ball (no middle name)
DoB: July 14, 1892 (exact)
Birth address: 41 Ferrand Street, Bermondsey
Father: George John Ball
Mother: Eliza Ball nee Wright
Address in 1901 (age 8): 22 Riles Road, West Ham, Plaistow

I cannot find her in the 1911 census and I am wondering if there is a clue in the following. My husband recalls his father mentioning that she had been a cook in the Russian embassy in London.

When the 1911 census came about she would have been 18 going on 19. At that age she may have been only a kitchen maid and developed into a cook later.

Would such staff have lived-in at an embassy?
Would an embassy be obliged to complete the census?

She married in 1918 and we have full documentation from that time.
But I don't know where to look for the missing years, any suggestions ?
Thanks Ann

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
36 Richmond Road, Tottenham, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Gorick Head Married Male Cabinet Maker 36 1875 Hackney RD
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Elizabeth Gorick Wife Married Female Manageress Dining Rooms 30 1881 Stepney
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Stanley Gorick Son Son Male School 11 1900 Clapton
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Harold Gorick Son Son Male School 8 1903 Clapton
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Eliza Ball Servant - Female General Servant 18 1893 Bermondsey

Another possible ???


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
405 Strand W C, St Martin in the Fields, London, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Herbert Winter Moy Head Married Male Publicans Manager 34 1877 London
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Amy Mary Marguerite Winter Moy Wife Married Female Manageress 27 1884 Hurst Piers Poult Sussex
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Marjore Wilhelmmia Winter Moy Daughter - Female - 1 1910 London
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Donald Herbert Winter Moy Son - Male - 0 1911 London
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Gladys Winifred Winter Moy Daughter - Female - 11 1900 London
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Louise Ella Turner Servant Single Female Nurse 28 1883 Edinburgh
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Lilian May Dann Servant Single Female Barmaid 25 1886 Birmingham
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Jane Shepherd Servant Married Female Cook 35 1876 Bermondsey
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Frances Emily Billeet Servant Single Female Housemaid 30 1881 Paddington
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***Eliza Ball Servant Single Female Kitchen Maid 19 1892 Sussex
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William Johnson Servant Single Female Kitchen Boy 19 1892 Castle Keddington
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Lily Herring Servant Single Female Barmaid 23 1888 Hackney Essex
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John Henry Pracy Servant Single Male Barman 20 1891 Islington
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Alfred Little Servant Single Male Potman 24 1887 Camberwell
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Laurence McMahon Servant Single Male Barman 22 1889 Knockjares Tolk Co Clare Ireland

Dea x

This might be the one who was born in Sussex though.......

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Eliza Ball in the 1901 England Census
Name: Eliza Ball
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Arthur Ball
Mother: Emily Ball
Birth Place: Hastings, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
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Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch West Kensington Park and St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
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Piece: 49
Folio: 122
Page Number: 9
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Ball 36
Emily Ball 30
Friederick Ball 11
Eliza Ball 9
Pheobe Ball 6
Annie Ball 3
Floria Ball 9/12

Thanks Dea, Prickly, I discounted those as that Elaiza was born in Sussex, Our's was Bermondsey.
So Safe that one is a possible.
Ann

No Prickly her parents were George and Eliza

Yes, i realise that.

I was just pointing out that the one in Sussex in 1911 was probably not yours.

Prickles.

:-D

Oops sorry

Apologies Ann, from below I noticed I never added Address at time of Marriage, was as 1911 below, Florence Towning being a witness.

You probably have the Cert., and perhaps no help at all with things, but smacked self on hand!, lol)

Chris :)

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1318608?d=asc

1911 (Find My Past)
24 Elsted St Walworth S E, St Mary Newington, London,
Joseph Towning Head Married Male Carman 54 1857 Vauxhall London
Mary Towning Wife Married Female - 51 1860 Walworth London
Charles Towning Son Single Male Carman 27 1884 Walworth London
Anna Towning Daughter Single Female Laundress 20 1891 Walworth London
Florence Towning Daughter - Female - 12 1899 Walworth London
Albert Towning Son - Male - 9 1902 Walworth London
Thomas Bright Nephew - Male - 4 1907 Lambeth London
Census reference RG14 PN1816 RG78 PN64 RD23 SD4 ED24 SN269

I expect you had the baptism already...

Name: Eliza Ball
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 Jul 1892
Father's name: George John Ball
Mother's name: Eliza Ball
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address still 41 Ferrand St. Father's occupation - porter.

Thanks Chris and Kucinta yes we have those ;-)

It this Embassy thing that is bothering me, was it true or one of those stories that got embroidered along the way.

Would such staff have lived-in at an embassy?
Would an embassy be obliged to complete the census?

Staff could have lived in at an embassy

BUT, she might not have been there in 1911 ................ she might have been working elsewhere as a servant and gaining experience and training that would allow her to get a position as cook (or cook's helper).

That means that she could very well be one of the ones found on the 1911 working as General Servant ........... that means doing housework, helping the mistress cook (OR doing all the cooking), etc etc.

Good Point Sylvia Thanks

Thanks for your help, but now it's past my bedtime.
So I check back tomorrow, Thanks all who dod lookup's for me.
Ann

My grandfather, Albert Edward Cridland, was also resident at 41 Farrand Street, Bermondsey on 17th April 1892 when he married Louisa Mary Salter, also of that address. I wonder if either of them are connected with your Eliza Ball or her family.

Anna
It would depend on his occupation at the time ,Maybe has no connection other than one of the other employees

41 Ferrand Street was a tenement with several households, so they were probably just neighbours.

In 1891, there were three households listed at No 41:
Edward Garland & family; George Pearce & family; Joseph J Skelton & family

EDIT:

No, sorry - that was in 1901!

Ferrand Street doesn't seem to feature in 1891 census.
http://www.census1891.com/streets-f.php

Sorry I have had a lot going on here at home.

Anna my husbads gran wasn't born until July 1892
even so I don't think there is any connection with your Grandfather apart they all lived in the same building.

Ferrand Street was listed in the 1891 census:

At 41 were Arthur Fisher and family and John Morriss and family.