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AustinQ

AustinQ Report 17 Apr 2018 06:44

I think that record for Margaret is from the birth entry:

Margaret A Mcknight
born: 3rd December 1872
Abode: Flemingstown, Raphae
Father: George McKnight (weaver)
Mother: Jane McKnight (formerly Baxter)
SR District/Reg Area Strabane

(when George married Jane Baxter his address was also Flemingstown)

Griffith's Valuation
name(s) George McNaght
Role Occupier
Year 1858
Printing date 1858-03-22
Townland Flemingstown
Civil Parish Raphoe
Barony RAPHOE, NORTH
Poor Law Union STRABANE
County Donegal

Nellie123

Nellie123 Report 16 Apr 2018 22:57

Thank you Kucinta

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Apr 2018 20:37

Found the baptism of Margaret McNaught as McKnight:


Margarate A. Mc Night

Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

Name: Margarate A. Mc Night
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 03 Dec 1872
Birthplace: Donegal, Ireland
Father's Name: George Mc Night
Mother's Name: Jane Baxter

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Apr 2018 20:10

Hi Nellie,

George's death record shows his parents to be John McNaught and Isabella nee Maxwell (so NOT John McNaught and Jean Balmer of Glasgow)

The marriage to Jane Baxter shows George's father John's occupation to be farmer.

You would need to try and trace the forebears of John McNaught, farmer, and Isabella Maxwell to get further back, though that may not be easy.

You were really lucky that AustinQ found that death record for George, confirming the names of his parents and both his wives, and that the information ties in with the information you have from the marriage register for Samuel McNaught and Sarah Frazzle.

Nellie123

Nellie123 Report 16 Apr 2018 20:03

Will all the names I have for the parents and grand parents of George McNaught be wrong now that we have found he and his father John were born in Ireland .. I am so confused now Nellie

Nellie123

Nellie123 Report 16 Apr 2018 17:23

Thank you everyone for your help I did think I must have gone wrong somewhere and that I might have to delete what I have and start again and with your help I just need to change things now I am ever so grateful for your help ....Nellie

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 Apr 2018 14:22

I will do Kucinta- great work :)

This is likely the marriage of George & Jane's daughter, Margaret- transcribed as McKnight:

Marriage:
THOMAS THOMPSON
MARGARET MCKNIGHT
Year: 1891
Ref: 644/10 101
RD Name: Anderston
-----------------------------------

EDIT: George Death certificate sent

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Apr 2018 14:15

That's brillian Austin Q!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Nellie123 now has it confirmed that George McNaught's parents were John McNaught and Isabella Maxwell, and that he was born in Ireland, not in Scotland.

I don't suppose you could pm Nellie123 an image of that death cert? It is pretty key to tying things up nicely :-)

Edit, I also note the address on the death cert is 27 Catherine St, and the address on the 1881 census was 21 Catherine St, so again, that ties in nicely.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 Apr 2018 14:12

Death:
George McNaught- Nightwatchman-1st married to Eliza Allen, 2nd to Jane Baxter
Date: 22 May 1889
Abode: 27 Catherine Street, Glasgow
Age 58 years
Father: John Mc Naught, farmer deceased
Mother: Isabella McNaught (ms Maxwell) deceased
Cause: Pneumonia 5 days
Informant. Jane Mcnaught Widow (present)

Well done Kucinta!

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 Apr 2018 14:07

I've just taken a look at the death cert for George- give me a minute, I'll post details. You were right Kucinta

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 Apr 2018 14:03

Age is out but this is likely Jane in 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Warroch Street, Barony, Anderston, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Jane McNaught Head Widow Female 57 1834 Ireland -
Maggie Thompson Daughter Married Female 19 1872 Ireland -
Thomas Thompson Son-In-Law Married Male 21 1870 Ireland Shoeing Smith
Robert Cumming Boarder Unmarried Male 42 1849 Lanarkshire, Scotland Carter
John Fletcher Boarder Unmarried Male 22 1869 Lanarkshire, Scotland Mineral Water Bottler
-----------------------------------

And possibly George's death:

GEORGE MCNAUGHT
Age: 58
Year of death: 1889
Ref:644/10 423
RD Name: Anderston

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Apr 2018 14:02

Possible red herring, but I wondered if there was any chance this is the death of 'Elisa' McNaught, nee Allen. Strabane is about 12 miles from Stranolar, where George M'Naught married Jane Baxter in 1871:

Name ELIZABETH MCNAUGHT
Year of Death 1865
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Strabane
Deceased Age at Death 33<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Returns Year 1865
Returns Quarter 3
Returns Volume No 12
Returns Page No 224

Unfortunately there's no image, so I can't check her marital status or if there's any information as to the name of her widower (if she had one)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 Apr 2018 13:49

OK- makes sense. Thanks Kucinta- I think you're on the right track.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Apr 2018 13:40

(Nellie had below info. on other 'Thread', but doesn't seem to give any more details from 1886 Marriage Cert. in case it helped!)...

Chris :)


Hi im trying to find a marriage between George McNaught and Eliza Allan .I have them on their son Samuel McNaught,s marriage certificate but cant find when or
where the married any advice welcome thankyou Helen

Samuel McNaught married
Sarah Frizzle Glasgow Scotland on 19 August 1886

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Apr 2018 13:38

Hi Austin Q, I think that George McNaught who married Jane Baxter, and probably previously Elisa Allen in 1857, is possibly the father of Samuel McNaught who married Sarah Frizzle.

I have posted an 1881 Census with what I believe is Samuel, father George, stepmother Jane Baxter, and half sister (?) to Samuel, Margaret .

No sign of 1875 born George though...but you did say he may have died a year later?

What I'd like to find is a birth/baptism for Margaret McNaught aged 8 on the 1881 census, down as born in Ireland.

That George,in the 1881 census, , was born c1826 in IRELAND so he is NOT the George McNaught born either 1838 or 1845 in Glasgow, son of John McNaught a compositor, and wife Jean Balmer . I think we have surmised the 1838 George had probably died by census 1841, and the second George, born 1845, would be too young to be the George who married Elisa Allen in Ireland in 1857, as well as that, he seems to have been single and living in London in census 1861.

So it's a question as to whether Nellie123 thinks I have the right Samuel and George in census 1881 in Glasgow. One fly in the ointment is that George is a music teacher on the marriage to Jane Baxter, but a labourer in the 1881 census...

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 Apr 2018 13:14

I'm not really sure what we're looking for! So have no idea if connected-

The image for that 1871 marriage is on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie

George was indeed a widower, father John (a farmer).

George's occupation is ? and music teacher.

George and Jane (Baxter) have a son, George in 1875 Stranorlar- he possible died a year later.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Apr 2018 08:55

Jane may well have been a second wife for George:

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958

Name: Jane Baxter
Date of Registration: 1871<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Stranolar, Ireland
Volume: 17
Page Number: 403
FHL Film Number: 101251
Records on Page:
Name
George M'Naught<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jane Baxter<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jane Baxter

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Apr 2018 08:44

Possibly Jean's birth - although the 1841 (not necessarily accurate) makes her 5 years younger:

BALMUIR
JEAN
GEORGE BALMUIR/MARY WRIGHT FR2293 (FR2293)
F
01/09/1815
644/1
210 250
Glasgow


Note parents' names George and Mary, which recur in Jean's children's names (though admittedly common names).
Also note the surname Wright - also a common name, but that 's the surname of one of the witnesses to the marriage of Jean & John's son John .

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Apr 2018 08:38

(seems from Jan on other 'Thread' that an Ancestry Tree, has George/Eliza 1857 Marriage, if that is where Nellie got it from)...

Chris :)

(where are George and Eliza 1861?, Ireland?, does Nellie know any more?)

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Apr 2018 08:29

That's interesting Chris.

I'm inclined to believe that the George McNaught who married Elisa Allen in Ireland in 1857 is NOT the son of John McNaught and Jean Balmer/Balmour, but I could be wrong.

Census 1881

If this is the Samuel from that thread, and I note the wife of father George is Jane not Elisa, though it may be a later marriage, then that George was born in IRELAND c1826 :

Name: Samuel McNaught<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relationship: Son
Father's name: George McNaught<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's name: Jane McNaught
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 21 Catherine St
Occupation: Foundry Labourer<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 25
Household schedule number: 52
LINE: 20
Roll: cssct1881_239
Household Members:
Name Age
George McNaught 55
Jane McNaught 40
Mary McNaught 19
Samuel McNaught 18<<<<<<<<<<<<
Margaret McNaught 8

Name: George McNaught<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane McNaught
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 21 Catherine St
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 25
Household schedule number: 52
LINE: 17
Roll: cssct1881_239