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I have got twins of John and Elizabeth in my tree, info given to me by a cousin but their names are Isaac and Abram. DOB 12th July 1843, also he has John's death as Jan 1865 Trerddol.

Possibly Elizabeth and John's marriage - although it's after Catherine's birth, so maybe not.

Elizabeth Thomas
in the Wales, Select Marriages, 1541-1900
Name: Elizabeth Thomas
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 21 May 1827
Marriage Place: Yspytty Cynfyn,Cardigan,Wales
Spouse: John Jones
FHL Film Number: 105216

Thats brilliant, thank you. Looks like William and Isaac are twins.

I have just ordered from GRO what I think is Lewis Jones death certificate, just hope it is his.

Have also ordered a marriage certificate for Lewis to Ruth Evans, who I am sure is one of his wifes. I know he was married to an Eleanor Humphreys, but I also think there was a 3rd wife.

You are right, so many John Jones and also the same with Lewis Jones.

This has been so complicated.

John Jones had died before 1877, but there are so many John Joneses that it's impossible to know when he died.


There's this child:

Isaac Jones
from Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Isaac Jones
Gender Male
Christening Date 26 Aug 1843
Christening Place LLANCYNFELYN,CARDIGAN,WALES
Father's Name John Jones
Mother's Name Elizabeth

Probably this birth:

JONES, ISAAC mms THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH Volume 27 Page 16


Ah! Here they are in 1851:

Isaac Jones
in the 1851 Wales Census
Name: Isaac Jones
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Llancynfelyn, Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llancynfelin
Ecclesiastical parish: Geneur Glyn
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Aberystwyth
Sub-registration district: Geneur
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a
Piece: 2486
Folio: 154
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jones 57 - hatter
Elizabeth Jones 54
Margaret Jones 16
William Jones 7
Isaac Jones 7

I don't see the birth of William.

Oh!! That rules that one out then. Thank you.

Maybe he wasn't registered, although strange that all the others were baptised,and not Lewis. I am beginning to wonder if he had a differant Mother.

I did search on GRO myself using MMN Thomas, with a birth year 2 years either side and the only one I found was the one I mentioned above.

That's this birth:

JONES, LEWIS mms WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 27 Page 89

Should have said June qtr. 1838. Lewis Jones, Reg district Machynlleth. County Montgomeryshire. Vol 27 Page 89. Found this one on Ancestry so no MMN stated.

You say -
"I am more sure than not that he is the 3rd qtr 1838 one, and now I know for sure he died in 1900, so I could order those 2 certificates if I am really stuck."

Do you mean you've found a birth reg for him in 3rd qr 1838?
I can't see one on the GRO site - not born in Aberystwyth reg district, with mms Thomas (or any other mms, for that matter).

Erika, you are right, you can specify parents names when using GRO. The only birth I found for Lewis with MMN Thomas was the one I ordered the PDF for and it came back with Father Edward Jones and Mother Mary Jones, formally Thomas. DOB 18th March 1838, district Newtown, Montgomery.

I am more sure than not that Elizabeth Jones maiden name was Thomas.

I am more sure than not that he is the 3rd qtr 1838 one, and now I know for sure he died in 1900, so I could order those 2 certificates if I am really stuck.

Note what you say about 1875.

Lewis's siblings' baptisms, just for the record - but no sign of Lewis's:


Catherine Jones
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Catherine Jones
Gender Female
Christening Date 13 Oct 1826
Christening Place LLANCYNFELYN,CARDIGAN,WALES
Father's Name John Jones
Mother's Name Elizabeth



David Jones
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name David Jones
Gender Male
Christening Date 27 Nov 1831
Christening Place LLANCYNFELYN,CARDIGAN,WALES
Father's Name John Jones
Mother's Name Elizabeth


Thomas Jones
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Thomas Jones
Gender Male
Christening Date 01 Nov 1829
Christening Place LLANCYNFELYN,CARDIGAN,WALES
Father's Name John Jones
Mother's Name Elizabeth


Thomas Jones
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Thomas Jones
Gender Male
Christening Date 12 Feb 1837
Christening Place LLANCYNFELYN,CARDIGAN,WALES
Father's Name John Jones
Mother's Name Elizabeth


Margaret Jones
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Margaret Jones
Gender Female
Christening Date 04 Nov 1840
Christening Place LLANCYNFELYN,CARDIGAN,WALES
Father's Name John Jones
Mother's Name Elizabeth



Elizabeth Jones
Wales Births and Baptisms
Name Elizabeth Jones
Gender Female
Christening Date 27 Jun 1837
Christening Place LLANCYNFELYN,CARDIGAN,WALES
Father's Name John Jones
Mother's Name Elizabeth


Presumably Margaret's birth is one of these:

JONES, MARGARET mms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH Volume 27 Page 26

JONES, MARGARET mms EDWARDS
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH Volume 27 Page 21

JONES, MARGARET mms THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH Volume 27 Page 19

Failure to register births wasn’t penalised until 1875, so not all births were registered

However, I believe that the GRO offers the facility to specify parents’ names when ordering certs. You’ll need to check, as I am not 100% on that.

I wrote to someone through GR messaging recently because they had a Lewis Jones in their tree with same birth year as the Lewis I am looking for. I am very grateful to GR because they replied to me and it turned out that we are related. Her Great Grandmother Jane Jones mentioned above is my Great Great Grandmothers sister, Catherine Jones, Catherine and Jane are both the daughters of Lewis Jones and Elenour Jones (nee Humphreys) We have since swopped and shared a lot of information.

I would also like to thank Erika with regards to the child Mary Ann (mmn Evans) I ordered PDF birth certificate and it shows mothers name Ruth Evans, Father Lewis Jones and the address on the certificate check out with Lewis's address. So I have found at least one of his other wifes.(If they married).

We are still stuck on Lewis Jones birth date. I ordered one PDF birth certificate but it was the wrong one.

In the 1841 cencus mentioned above Lewis is said to have been born appx 1839. We think he may have been born 3rd or last qtr. of 1838, but before I order another certificate I wanted to ask you if it is possible to check whether or not there is a baptism record for Lewis, were know that his Father was John Jones, a Hatter and that his Mothers name was Elizabeth. no occ.

Oh yes. Got it. Thanks Erika. I was looking at the actual census when I wrote that.

You wrote........

Thats interesting, 1881 census shows daughter Jane age 2 and Mary Ann age 4
Mary Ann born Machynlleth and Jane born Darouch ??? (hard to read)

Jane (1879) was born Darowen - see census transcription posted by alviegal

No problem. Thank you for all your help.

It's so difficult to tell. You could end up paying out a lot and still not find the correct people! Why did they have to be called Jones!!

As for Lewis' death, there are a few to choose from, as I'm sure you already know!

Jones Lewis 1839 1900 1900 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales


Jones Lewis 1838 1893 1893 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales


Jones Lewis 1839 1891 1891 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales


Sorry I need to go now. O/H thinks he's been abandoned!!

Thats them, number 21 Morton Terrace, in 1901 they are at 4 Sunny Bank and in 1911 they are still at 4 Sunny Bank.

Ok so they've moved by 1891.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Morton Terrace, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

Lewis Jones Head Married Male 52 1839 Retired Collier ? -
Eleanor Jones Wife Married Female 38 1853 - Montgomeryshire, Wales
Mary Ann Jones Daughter - Female 13 1878 - Montgomeryshire, Wales
Jane Jones Daughter - Female 11 1880 - Montgomeryshire, Wales
Catherine Jones Daughter - Female 9 1882 - Montgomeryshire, Wales
Eunice Jones Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Glamorganshire, Wales