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Please does anyone know anything about Lily, she is on the 1911 census as a daughter, sister to my grandmother Ada Lavinia - (was she adopted?) On birth cert her mother is Isabel Coulthard a dressmaker born Co Durham no father named
Thanks Julie

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1911 Census For England & Wales
10 Heywood St Middlesbrough, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


Robert Skaife Head Married Male 54 1857 Railway Goods Guard Darley Yorkshire
Ann Skaife Wife Married Female 44 1867 - Witton Le Wear Durham
John Robt Skaife Son Single Male 22 1889 Fitter Iron Works Middlesboro
Ada Lavinia Skaife Daughter Single Female 18 1893 - Middlesboro
Lily Coulthard Skaife Daughter Single Female 3 1908 - Middlesboro

? possibly the child of the daughter here

1911 Census For England & Wales
34 Theodore St Newport Middlesbro, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Isabel Coulthard Head Widow Female 58 1853 Housekeeper Waskley County Durham
Isabel Coulthard Daughter Single Female 33 1878 Dressmaker Shildon Durham
Harry Adsluad Boarder Single Male 27 1884 Labourer Hulme Manchester

I think this might be her marriage ( to the lodger whose name is Adshead on image of the 1911 census)

ISABEL
COULTHARD
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1914
Registration month -
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Henry Adshead

Spouse's last name Adshead
District Middlesbrough
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Volume as transcribed 9D
Page number 942

There's an Isabel Adshead , with Lily aged 16 , address 34 Fleetham St, Middlesborough going to Canada


Province Quebec
First name(s) Isabel
Last name Adshead
Gender Female
Age 49
Birth year 1875
Occupation HWIFE
Departure year 1924
Departure day 15
Departure month 5
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Quebec
Destination QUEBEC
Country Canada
Destination country Canada
Ship name Canada
Ship official number 106806
Ship master's first name J
Ship master's last name JONES
Shipping line WHITE STAR DOMINION
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 14563
Ship registered tonnage 9472
Number of passengers 301
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists

Possible for husband Harry going 2 years earlier, last address given as Manchester??

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
20, Duke of York Street, Middlesbro', Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


John Coulthard Head Married Male 51 1850 Railway Mineral Guard Barnard Castle, Durham, England
Isabel Coulthard Wife Married Female 48 1853 - Waskerley, Durham, England
Isabel Coulthard Daughter Single Female 27 1874 - Shildon, Durham, England <<<<<<
Elizabeth Coulthard Grand Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England


Birth COULTHARD, ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 540

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Harry Adshead
in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name: Harry Adshead
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Birth Place: Manchester, England
Age: 38
Date of Arrival: 17 Sep 1922
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Manchester, England
Ship Name: Canada

Married.
Nearest relative in UK: Mrs Adshead (wife) , 30 Poole Street, Hulme.
Destination: Uncle, Mr Finney, 501 Island Ave., Windsor, Ontario.


Confusingly, there were two Harry Adsheads born in Chorlton reg distrct, in Dec qr 1884.

Possible for Elizabeth though the birth year is out a little

1911 Census For England & Wales
151 Stockton St Middlesbrough, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


Mary Carroll Wife Married Female 42 1869 - Dundalk Louth Ireland
John Carroll Head Married Male 42 1869 Blast Furnaces Dundalk Ireland
Mary Anne Carroll Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Dressmaker Dundalk Ireland
Patrick James Carroll Son Single Male 18 1893 Apprentice Glazier And Picture Frame Dundalk Ireland
John Carroll Son Single Male 14 1897 Baker's Errand Boy South Bank Yorks Englands
Elizabeth Coulthard Adopted Single Female 10 1901 At School Middlesbrough England <<<<<<<<<<<

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Coultard
Birth year 1899
Birth date 20 Jun 1899
Baptism year 1899
Baptism date 01 Jul 1899
Baptism place Middlesbrough, St John
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Isabel
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Archive Teesside Archives
Archive reference PR/M/J/1-3
Page 263
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Fitting the details in the 1922 emigration record for Harry, as posted above:

Harry Adshead
in the Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1963
Name: Harry Adshead
Gender: Male
Age: 39
Nationality: English
Birth Date: abt 1884
Birth Place: Manchester, England
Arrival Date: 27 Oct 1923
Arrival Place: Detroit, Michigan, USA
Departure Contact: Aunt Mrs. Eliza Finney

Last address, Windsor, Ont.
Married, labourer.

He was only going to Detroit on a day trip.

I think this is Henry's army record, ( also Harry on images)

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM/WO363-4/7256159/42/477


First name(s) Henry
Last name Adshead
Age 34
Birth year 1882
Birth town Manchester
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 32855
Regiment King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry
Unit / Battalion 2nd Garrison Battalion
Year 1916
Residence town Lancaster
Residence county Lancashire
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'

marriage 2/3/14 Middleboro and
Gives on images a child Lilly ( illegitimate) born 27/07/07

A coincidence ?? Or a relative ??

Elizabeth Adshead
in the Ontario, Canada, Deaths and Deaths Overseas, 1869-1947
Name: Elizabeth Adshead
[Elizabeth Coulthard]
Gender: Female
Age: 64
Birth Date: 10 Aug 1875
Birth Place: Sheldon, England
Death Date: 9 Apr 1940
Death Place: Windsor, Essex, Ontario, Canada <<<<<<<<<<<
Father: William Coulthard
Mother: Mildred Coulthard
Spouse: Harry Adshead
Certificate Number: 015209
Reference Number: 80-8


Informant: Harry Adshead, husband, 977 Cataragui Street, Windsor, Ont.

Sheldon, England could be Sheldon, Warwickshire, or possibly Shildon, Co
. Durham.

I don't see Elizabeth's parents' marriage

There is a possible marriage for the Elizabeth Coulthard bn 1899, to a Robert H Becker, middlesborough 1923 he appears in Glamorgan on the electoral registers in the 1920s, Elizabeth does not show up at all ? but there were 2 possible births,

Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
Becker Irene M Coulthard Merthyr T. 11a 1454 who died the same year and
Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
Becker Robert H Coulthard Merthyr T who as yet I can't track?

This is the same man as in the army record posted by Rambling:

Lily is mentioned as illegitimate child:

Harry Adshead
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Harry Adshead
Gender: Male
Document Year: 1919
Regimental Number: 32855
Regiment Name: Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry
Form Title: Cover for Discharge Documents
Number of Images: 11
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Harry Adshead


Address: 4 School Row, East Hedley Hope

Elizabeth with husband Robert and child Robert, correct ages for them and travelling from 2& John St Treharris ...which is the same address as for Robert H senior on the erolls :-)

Province Quebec
First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Becker
Gender Female
Age 27
Birth year 1901
Marital status M
Occupation HOUSEWIFE
Departure year 1928
Departure day 21
Departure month 8
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Quebec
Destination QUEBEC
Country Canada
Destination country Canada
Ship name Duchess Of Bedford
Ship official number 160482
Ship master's first name J
Ship master's last name SIBBONS
Shipping line CANADIAN PACIFIC
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 12715
Ship registered tonnage 11881.44
Number of passengers 826
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Great Britain, England, Canada, Americas

Hopefully that last record implies that Elizabeth might have been in contact with her mother and/or sister and followed them out to live in Canada.

Hi Sorry I didn't make it clear in my original post. My family are the Skaife's and Lily is down as a daughter, that is what's confused me.
On birth cert her mother is Isabel Coulthard a dressmaker born Co Durham no father named

This is 1911 census for my family
Robert Skaife Head Married Male 54 1857 Railway Goods Guard Darley Yorkshire
Ann Skaife Wife Married Female 44 1867 - Witton Le Wear Durham
John Robt Skaife Son Single Male 22 1889 Fitter Iron Works Middlesboro
Ada Lavinia Skaife Daughter Single Female 18 1893 - Middlesboro
Lily Coulthard Skaife Daughter Single Female 3 1908 - Middlesboro

So she can't be on this census at the same time can she ?
On birth cert her mother is Isabel Coulthard a dressmaker born Co Durham no father named

1911 Census For England & Wales
34 Theodore St Newport Middlesbro, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Isabel Coulthard Head Widow Female 58 1853 Housekeeper Waskley County Durham
Isabel Coulthard Daughter Single Female 33 1878 Dressmaker Shildon Durham
Harry Adsluad Boarder Single Male 27 1884 Labourer Hulme Manchester

The Skaifes have obviously taken her in and refer to her as a daughter.

Not sure what you mean by your remark..........

So she can't be on this census at the same time can she ?

At the same time as ...........what?

Lily was Isabel's second illegitimate daughter, as has been shown above.

The mother eventually married, and Lily was recorded on the documents - again shown above

Sorry I just wasn't understanding the other census, didn't read the age properly, it makes sense now, thank you