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Mark

Mark Report 30 May 2019 21:20

I have found a picture of a grave online of my 4x great grandparents.

https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2019/122/198537979_b291a084-3ece-4c09-95ee-0480c4c2bea1.jpeg

Willam Houghton and his wife Fanny.

The grave shows they had a granddaughter called Ellen who I have not been able to place into the family and would appreciate some assistance in placing her - age 13 or 15 in 1866.


Thanks

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 May 2019 21:24

Do you have the names of William and Fanny's children?

Mark

Mark Report 30 May 2019 21:29

Samuel 1828-1854
Jane 1833-34
Nancy 1838
Ann 1839
John 1840
Thomas 1843
Matthew 1846
Mary1850

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 May 2019 21:35

Just for ref

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Higher Blowick, North Meols, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

William Houghton Head Married Male 43 1808 Wheelright Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
Frances Houghton Wife Married Female 46 1805 - Barton, Lancashire, England
Samuel Houghton Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 Ag Labourer Lancashire, England
Nancy Houghton Daughter - Female 13 1838 Scholar Lancashire, England
John Houghton Son - Male 11 1840 Scholar Lancashire, England
Thomas Houghton Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Lancashire, England
Matthew Houghton Son - Male 5 1846 - Lancashire, England
Mary Houghton Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Lancashire, England

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 May 2019 21:40

Possible

HOUGHTON, ELLEN mmn HOUGHTON
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 445

(HOUGHTON, ELLEN ALLERTON
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 468) EDIT it's not this one, who is the daughter of a William and catherine, and was still alive 1871)

Mark

Mark Report 30 May 2019 21:56

William and Catherine are unknown to me sorry

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 May 2019 21:56

Possibly daughter to Nancy if this is her marriage in 1860


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
Carr John Ormskirk 8b 878
Houghton Nancy Ormskirk 8b 878
Robinson Emma Ormskirk 8b 878
Sumner Jonathan Ormskirk 8b 878

safc

safc Report 30 May 2019 22:11

Deaths Dec 1866 (>99%)
Houghton Ellen 13 Ormskirk 8b 527

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 May 2019 22:25

Nancy Houghton after her marriage

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
(Willow Terrace), Warrington Road, Abram, Wigan, Lancashire, England

Jonathan Sumner Head Married Male 50 1831 Colliery Carpenter (& Groc & Prov Dealer Master) Hindley, Lancashire, England
Nancy Sumner Wife Married Female 45 1836 Colliery Carpenter Wife Wigan, Lancashire, England
Edith E Sumner Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Colliery Carpenter Daur (Deh Assist) Wigan, Lancashire, England
Nancy Sumner Daughter Single Female 18 1863 School Teacher Ince, Lancashire, England
William Sumner Son Single Male 15 1866 Clerk At Colliery Ince, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth A Sumner Daughter Single Female 12 1869 School Monitor Ince, Lancashire, England
Annie J Sumner Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Aspull, Lancashire, England
Emma Sumner Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Ince, Lancashire, England
Ernest J Sumner Son Single Male 2 1879 - Abram, Lancashire, England

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 May 2019 22:27

Here as Ann, but Ann and Nancy are interchangeable

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Withington Hill Terrace, Aspull, Wigan, Lancashire, England

Jonathan Sumner Head - Male 41 1830 - Lancashire, England
Ann Sumner Wife - Female 36 1835 - Lancashire, England
Edith E Sumner Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Lancashire, England
Nancy Sumner Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Lancashire, England
Willie Sumner Son - Male 5 1866 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth D Sumner Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
Abram Lythgoe Boarder - Male 40 1831 - Not Known
Ann Jane Sumner Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England

Choccy

Choccy Report 30 May 2019 22:44



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Hawes Side, North Meols, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England


William Houghton Head Married Male 52 1809 Wheelwright Lancashire, England
Francis Houghton Wife Married Female 60 1801 House Keeper Lancashire, England
Ann Houghton Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 House Keeper Lancashire, England
Thomas Houghton Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Apprentice Lancashire, England
Mathew Houghton Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Apprentice Lancashire, England
Mary Houghton Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1851 Scholar Lancashire, England
>>>>>>>Ellen Houghton Granddaughter - Female 2 1859 - Lancashire, England
Francis Houghton Granddaughter - Female 2 1859 - Lancashire, England

Mark

Mark Report 30 May 2019 22:57

Thank you all for your great help in this matter. Much appreciated

But I do question whether a girl of that age would be married and also she passed away under her Maiden name.

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 May 2019 23:09

Mark I don't think you are reading it right? Ellen would be the illegitimate daughter of Nancy/Ann.

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 May 2019 23:19

Choccy has posted the 1861 census, the other grandchild Frances is also illegitimate

HOUGHTON, FRANCES -
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in ORMSKIRK Volume 08B Page 511

Mark

Mark Report 31 May 2019 02:32

I think i need to get some certificates

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 May 2019 10:50

Grand-daughter Frances in 1871 - perhaps she's Mary's daughter:

Fanny Haughton
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Fanny Haughton
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: North Meols
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 115
Piece: 3875
Folio: 87
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Haughton 65
Fanny Haughton 72
Mary Haughton 22
Fanny Haughton 12


Possibly her marriage ??

Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
Houghton Frances Ormskirk 8b 1126
MACKLEY Charles Edward Ormskirk 8b 1126


Frances Houghton
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Frances Houghton
[Frances Hartle] [Hart]
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1857
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Aug 1878
Parish: Southport, St Paul, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Charles Edward Mackley
Spouse Age: 21
Father: Mathuselah Hartle [Hart ]
Spouse Father: William Mackley
Register Type: Parish Register



Frances Mackley
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Frances Mackley
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Charles E. Mackley
Gender: Female
Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: North Meols
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 114 Linaker St
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Ormskirk
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors:
Piece: 3751
Folio: 89
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles E. Mackley 23
Frances Mackley 23
Herbert Mackley 1
Florence Mackley


Frances Mackley
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Frances Mackley
Gender: Female
Age: 33
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1858
Spouse: Charles E Mackley
Child: Herbert Mackley
Florence Mackley
Ada Mackley
Mary Mackley
Harold Mackley
Sarah Mackley
Maud Mackley
William Mackley
Birth Place: Southport, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bury
Residence Place: Bury, Bury, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: North Bury
ED, Institution or Vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Piece: 3139
Folio: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles E Mackley 32
Frances Mackley 33
Herbert Mackley 11
Florence Mackley 10
Ada Mackley 8
Mary Mackley 8
Harold Mackley 5
Sarah Mackley 3
Maud Mackley 1
William Mackley 3/12
Jane Pritchard 18


Frances Mackley
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Frances Mackley
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Charles E Mackley
Birth Place: Southport, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Potter Newton
Ecclesiastical parish: Sheepscar St Clement
Town: New Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Chapeltown
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors:
Piece: 4248
Folio: 29
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles E Mackley 43
Frances Mackley 43
Herbert Mackley 21
Ada Mackley 18
Mary Mackley 18
Harold Mackley 15
Sarah Mackley 13
Maud Mackley 11
William Mackley 10
Percy Mackley 8
Edith Mackley 5


Frances Mackley
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frances Mackley
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Southport, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ecclesall
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 5 Woodbank Crescent Sheffield.
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Registration District Number: 509
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 27776
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Edward Mackley 53
Frances Mackley 53
Florence Mackley 30
Ada Mackley 28
Mary Mackley 28
Sarah Mackley 23
Maud Mackley 21
William Mackley 20
Edith Mackley 15
Charles Henry Mackley 6



Frances Mackley
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frances Mackley
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: abt 1856
Registration Date: Oct 1934
[Nov 1934]
[Dec 1934]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: ecclesall Bierlow
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 382

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 May 2019 11:01

Frances's father Methuselah:

Methuselah Hart
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Methuselah Hart
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Ormskirk
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 929
Records on Page:
Name
Ann Aughton
Methuselah Hart



Methuselah Hart
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Methuselah Hart
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Hart
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashford, Lancashire, England
[Ashton, Lancashire, England]
Civil Parish: Upholland
Ecclesiastical parish: Upholland
Town: Upholland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Upholland
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 139
Piece: 3897
Folio: 105
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Methuselah Hart 38
Ann Hart 33 - Southport
Peter William Hart 8
Samuel Hart 7
Edward Hart 5
Alfred Hart 3
Mary Jane Hart 1
James Kirkpatrick 57
William Pickagel 32


Although there was an Ann Aughton born in Southport in 1838 (parents Robert and Jane) , it's also possible that Methuselah's wife was Ann Houghton, sister of Mary whom at first I thought might be Frances's mother.

HART, MARY JANE mms HAUGHTON
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 121

HART, ALFRED mms HOUGHTON
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 140