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I don't think they were his parents - I am looking for another surname for both Arthur + Mildred ..............
They were said to be niece and nephew to this couple on that 1891 census:
Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Tanner John Barton R. 6a 277 Scan available - click to view
Trott Sabina Barton R. 6a 277 Scan available - click to view
TROTT Selina Barton 6a 277 Scan available - click to view
Dea x
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If this is him and age correct here, then points to 1890 birth.
Whoever registered the death could easily have got the year wrong
1911 Census For England & Wales
Morwenna Bude North Cornwall, Stratton and Bude, Cornwall, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Leslie Vickery Head Married Male 38 1873 Butcher Bude Cornwall
Grace Eleanor Vickery Wife Married Female 36 1875 Assisting In The Business Smithwick Birmingham
John Thomas Vickery Son - Male 10 1901 School Bude Cornwall
Frank Heal Vickery Son - Male 3 1908 - Bude Cornwall
Doris Heal Visitor Single Female 16 1895 - Leeds Yorkshire
Arthur Cramp - Single Male 20 1891 Journeyman Butcher Honiton Devon
William Thomas Oakey - Single Male 15 1896 Apprentice Butcher Cheltenham Gloucester
Richard Hooper - Single Male 64 1847 Servant Bradworthy Devon
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Thank you Dea, my Grandfathers' date of birth is a year different, seems odd that there is no birth record, unless his mother and father were not Julia Sabina Single and William Cramp. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Hi Dea
I have not come across the census with Maud in 1891, how interesting, I will look down that avenue, as there has to be a family connection for Maud to be there. Thank you. . :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Birth year 1 out but 7th May and South Wales ?
81 Main Street, Barry M.B., Glamorganshire, Wales
Bishop household
(8 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Richard Bishop 27 Oct 1869 Male Butcher Shopkeeper Widowed 198 1
Arthur Cramp 07 May 1890 Male Butcher Shopkeeper Married 198 2
Grace H Cramp 21 Nov 1901 Female Housewife, Unpaid Married 198 3
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?
Margaret J (Jane M) Jones (Cramp) 25 May 1939 Female Infant, Under School Age Single 198 5
Sydney L Thomas 31 Aug 1898 Male Road Transport Contractor Widowed 198 6
Mary Joy (Thomas) 19 Aug 1927 Female At School Single 198 7
Lilian M Cox 28 Nov 1917 Female Domestic, Servant Single 198 8
View first 5 occupants
Ref: RG101/7314G/021/21 Letter Code: XJDD
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Hi Dea
Thank you for looking up the records. The information you have given is correct. No Arthur for 1891, this is a bit of a family mystery as to the whereabouts of his birth records and where he was in 1891.
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She also had:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CRAMP, MAUD ALICE SINGLE
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in CHARD Volume 05C Page 400
SO, this is connected as Maud (Maud Alice/ Alice Maud?) is with this family:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Clarence Place, Westbury on Trym, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Tanner Head Married Male 66 1825 Retired Coachman Gloucestershire, England
Sabina Tanner Wife Married Female 51 1840 - Somerset, England
Alfred J Tanner Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Alice M Cramp Visitor - Female 3 1888 - Ilminster, Somerset, England
Dea x
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Just to start us off:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Mill Street, Honiton, Devon, England
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Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Cramp Head Married Male 45 1856 Tailor's Cutter -
Subina Cramp Wife Married Female 35 1866 - Chard, Somerset, England
Maud Cramp Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Arthur Cramp Nephew - Male 10 1891 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Mildred Cramp Niece - Female 8 1893 - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Northcote Cramp Son - Male 7 1894 - Honiton, Devon, England
Frank Cramp Son - Male 5 1896 - Honiton, Devon, England
No Arthur showing on 1891 !!:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Mill Street, Honiton, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Cramp Head Widower Male 36 1855 Tailors Cutter Foleshill, Warwickshire, England
Sabina Single Sister In Law Single Female 25 1866 Housekeeper Chard, Somerset, England
Ada Single Sister In Law Single Female 18 1873 Visitor Chard, Somerset, England
Ada Single's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.
Dea x
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Please could anyone help. I have not been able to find a birth certificate for my grandfather Arthur Cramp. He died 28 October 1981 in South wales. He was born in Honiton, Devon on 7th May 1889. I cannot find him on the 1891 census. His mother Julia Sabina Single is with William Cramp and her sister Ada Single on the 1891 census. Julia his mother married William Cramp on 2 December 1891. Thank you.
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