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Ella Lydia Lambert circa 1917

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Grahamwfc

Grahamwfc Report 9 Jun 2020 08:30

I’m struggling with this ancestor. Info I have:-
??Ella Lydia Lambert married Leslie ClarenceFrampton Hendon 1940 3a1664 - correct Ella. Going forward from there all good.
??I believe/am told Ella was born near Leeds 1917 - the only birth record I can find though for an Ella Lydia is Hampstead 9/1/16 MMN Bradley and residing Hendon 1939 census working as shop asst Woolworths.
??Told Ella’s mother died when Ella was about 7 and raised by grandmother moving to London eventually
??Had a sister Daisy and a brother who died in teenage years from scarlet
??I have found a marriage between Daisy Elizabeth Bradley and Wilfred Lambert Mar Qtr 1910 Leeds
??There is a Daisy Elizabeth Lambert that died when 31 in Hampstead Jun Qtr 1921 1a 606. From evidence this would seem to be my Ella’s mother but I can’t find a birth record for the other Daisy. There is a Daisy born Settle/Leeds 17/4/13 but MMN Harrison. Evidence to of other siblings but not an Ella.
??Trying to ascertain if my Ella’s mum is the Daisy Elizabeth any pointers greatly appreciated, Thank You


EDIT- been assuming Daisy was older but there is a Daisy B. 1921 Hampstead MMN Bradley
Graham

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Jun 2020 09:13

The 1939 register entry you refer to for our reference, reflecting a subsequent change of name to Frampton

Ella Frampton (Lambert)'s life in 1939
56 Hermitage Lane, Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Ella Frampton (Lambert) 09 Jan 1916 Female Woolworth & Shop Assistant Single 74 1
Ref: RG101/0831E/007/43 Letter Code: BKFN
© Findmypast Ltd

Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate - it will hopefully give an age (if accurate) and name her Father

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Jun 2020 09:18

Ella's death registration - gives same DOB as per 1939 register

England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) ELLA LYDIA
Last name FRAMPTON
Gender Female
Birth day 9
Birth month 1
Birth year 1916
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1993
District Dacorum
District number 5301B
Register number B37
Entry number 113
Date of registration mm/yy 0993
County Hertfordshire
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category

Probate record
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk

Ella Lydia Frampton of 3 Yew Tree Drive, Bovingdon, Herts died 25 September 1993. Probate Oxford 24 February 1994.

You can order a copy of the will through the site - may give further information

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 09:26

Age at death shows birth year 1916

Ignore what you are ‘told’ if it can’t be backed up by documentation. People can over-dramatise things, or their memories play tricks

The birth with MMN Bradley is in the correct period to fit the 1939 register.
She may have added the second forename because her husband had one

The sensible course of action is to buy a copy of the woman’s marriage cert

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Jun 2020 09:32

The birth registration in the March Qtr 1916 would "fit" the DOB shown but no middle name - could have been added at a later date?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
LAMBERT, ELLA BRADLEY
GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 945

A copy of that certificate would give names of both Father and Mother

freebmd or the gro.gov.uk site will give names of children born to the Lambert/Bradley combiantion. There is a Daisy 1921 and a Wilfrid 1911, both Hampstead registrations, but there are others are spread around the country.

Wilfrid died aged 26 in 1938 Hampstead and perhaps the birth of Daisy contributed to the death of her Mother, both events recorded in the June Qtr

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 09:44

Name: Daisy Elizabeth Bradley
Marriage Age: 21
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1889
Marriage Date: 16 Mar 1910
Marriage Place: Leeds, St Aidan, Yorkshire, England
Father: Samuel Bradley
Spouse: Wilfred Lambert

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 09:45

Name: Daisy Elizabeth Lambert
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
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County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 2 Ravenscar Place, Roundhay Leeds
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Leeds
Registration District Number: 500
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Piece: 26974
Household Members:
Name Age
S Lambert 50
Edith Lambert 31
Maud Lambert 29
Wifrid Lambert 26
Daisy Elizabeth Lambert 21
Wifrid Lambert 2 months
Loftas Backhouse 17

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 09:49

LAMBERT, WILFRID BRADLEY
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 562

Deaths Mar 1938 (>99%)
Lambert Wilfrid 26 Hampstead 1a 739

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 10:00

How many children did Ella have?

I've found one Frampton/Lambert birth

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 10:13

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Name: Wilfrid Lambert
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: abt 1884
Registration Date: Jul 1960
[Aug 1960]
[Sep 1960]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Barnet
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 532

Same county as Ella's death

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Daisy the sister:

Births Jun 1921
Lambert Daisy Bradley Hampstead 1a 979

Born the same quarter her mother died.

Rose

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Siblings?

Births Sep 1911
LAMBERT Annie Bradley Leeds 9b 633

Perhaps not Annie as she was born so soon after Wilfred.

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
Lambert Edith Bradley Leeds 9b 499

Rose

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 11:35

Daisy's birth was the one the OP referred to

There was another Lambert/Bradley marriage in Leeds

Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
BRADLEY Ethel Leeds 9b 783
LAMBERT John William Leeds 9b 783

1939
35 Orchard Road, Leeds C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
John W Lambert 20 Mar 1885 Male Disabled Labourer Married 106 1
Ethel Lambert 01 May 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Married 106 2
Edith Lambert 18 Apr 1915 Female Tailors Dresser Single 106 3
Alice Wade (Lambert) 10 May 1920 Female Tailoress Machinist Single 106 4
Violet Render (Lambert) 08 Sep 1924 Female Laundress Sorter Single 106 5