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Hi,

Yes l did thank you....


amanda

Excellent………

Did you see the KNOX info?

Hi,

I have orded Edith and Thomas Marriage cert. When it comes l will let you know

thanks

Amanda

Any progress on the marriage cert, Amanda?

First name(s) George
Second witness Mary Willis
Last name Knox
County Durham
Occupation School master
Country England
Marital status Widower*******************************
Licence or banns Licence
Marriage year 1833
Archive Durham University Library
Marriage date 21 Sep 1833
Archive reference DDR/EA/PBT/2/17
Place Barnard Castle
Document type Bishop's Transcripts
Denomination Anglican
Register type Baptisms, marriages & burials
Residence Barnard Castle
Register year range 1833-1847
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Record set Durham Marriages
Spouse's last name Thwaites

Witnesses both with surname Willis

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Yew Tree, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
George Knox Male 40 1801 Scotland
Ann Knox Female 30 1811 -
John Knox Male 7 1834 -
Ebenezer Knox Male 5 1836 -
Hannah Knox Female 0 1841 Staffordshire, England

A DNA test should show Edith as she is a direct ancestor but not to Thomas as he assumed not to be.
So a DNA test would not be relevant to Thomas with Edith, but to say Thomas and Edith can be confusing if you are struggling to get one’s head around dna matched,

KNOX, BERTIE BROOMFIELD
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 213

Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)
Broomfield Eleanor Garnet Stoke T. 6b 360
KNOX Leonard Stoke T. 6b 360

1921 Census Of England & Wales
103, Birks Street, Stoke-On-Trent, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Leonard Knox Head Male 1869 52 Hanley, Staffordshire, England Potters Placer, Basket Maker Bennetts Work Shops For Bling
Leonard Knox Son Male 1894 26 Staffordshire, England - -
Earnest Knox Son Male 1902 18 Stoke, Staffordshire, England Miner Loader Duke Pits
Berty Knox Son Male 1906 15 Stoke, Staffordshire, England - -


1911 Census For England & Wales
103 Birks St Stoke - on - Trent, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Leonard Knox Head Married Male 44 1867 Potters placer china Staff Hanley
Elenor Knox Wife Married Female 41 1870 Potters handler Cheser Alsager
Ellen Knox Daughter Single Female 19 1892 Potters transferer Staff Hanley
Leonard Knox Son - Male 16 1895 Basket maker Derbyshre Church Gresley
Percy Knox Son - Male 9 1902 School Staff Stoke
Ernest Knox Son - Male 8 1903 School Staff Stoke
Berty Knox Son - Male 5 1906 - Staff Stoke
Girly Knox Daughter - Female 14 1897 Glost warehouse girl Derbyshire Church Gresley

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
70, New Street, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Leonard Knox Head Married Male 33 1868 Potters placer Staffordshire, England
Eleanor Knox Wife Married Female 33 1868 Potter?s cup handler Alsager, Cheshire, England
Emma Knox Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Potter?s mould runner Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Annie Knox Daughter - Female 13 1888 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Nellie Knox Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Lawrence L Knox Son - Male 7 1894 - Swadlincote, Derbyshire, England
Leonard Knox Son - Male 6 1895 - Swadlincote, Derbyshire, England
Gertrude Knox Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Swadlincote, Derbyshire, England


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
80, Abbey Road, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Ebenezer G Knox Head Widower Male 45 1836 Engine fitter at works Barnard Castle, Durham, England
Annie E Knox Daughter Single Female 19 1862 Housekeeper dom Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Thomas T Knox Son Single Male 17 1864 Potter Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Leonard Knox Son Single Male 14 1867 Potters packer Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Robert C Knox Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Emma Knox Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Nehemiah Knox Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Elijah Billington Servant Widower Male 56 1825 General labourer unemployed Hanley, Staffordshire, England
George Knox Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wilson Street, Shelton, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Ebenezer Knox Head - Male 35 1836 Engine fitter Barnard Castle, Durham, England
Emma Knox Wife - Female 33 1838 - B?Cknall, Staffordshire, England
Annie E Knox Daughter - Female 9 1862 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Thomas T Knox Son - Male 7 1864 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Leonard Knox Son - Male 4 1867 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Robert C Knox Son - Male 3 1868 Scholar Hanley, Staffordshire, England
George Knox Son - Male 1 1870 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England

KNOX, LEONARD BILLINGTON
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 198

Marriages Mar 1857 (>99%)
Billington Emma Stoke on T 6b 254
Knox George Stoke on T. 6b 254

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Inglis Street, Shelton, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
John Knox Husband Married Male 25 1836 Engine fitter Barnard Castle, Durham, England
Emma Knox Wife Married Female 23 1838 - Stoke, Staffordshire, England
Walter Knox Son Unmarried Male 1 1860 - Stoke, Staffordshire, England

KNOX, WALTER FREDERICK BILLINGTON
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 187


Name George Knox
Marriage Age 21
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1836
Residence Place Copeland Strt
Marriage Date 19 Jan 1857
Marriage Place Shelton, St Mark, Staffordshire, England
Father George Knox
Spouse Emma Billington
Religion Anglican
Page number 222

Name Ebenezer George Knox
Gender Male
Baptism Date 13 Mar 1836
Baptism Place Parochial Chaperlry, Barnard-Castle, Durham, England
Father George Knox
Mother Ann
FHL Film Number 1894205
Reference ID item 1 p 137

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Botterlon Cottage, 2, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
George King Head Married Male 50 1801 Manager of coal miner Scotland
Ann King Wife Married Female 43 1808 His wife Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
John King Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Joiner apprentic Barnard Castle, Durham, England
George E King Son Unmarried Male 15 1836 Engine fitter apprentice Barnard Castle, Durham, England
Hannah King Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1841 Scholar Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Thomas T King Son Unmarried Male 6 1845 Scholar Fenton, Staffordshire, England
Ann Hume Servant Unmarried Female 20 1831 Domestic servant Fenton, Staffordshire, England

Surname corrections submitted to FMP. Ancestry have transcribed correctly as KNOX

KNOX, HANNAH THWAITES
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 146
KNOX, THOMAS THWAITES THWAITES
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 142

Name Thomas Thwaites Knox
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Age 28
Birth Date 1843
Marriage Date 6 Jul 1871
Marriage Place Barnard-Castle, Durham, England
Father George Knox
Spouse Anne Eliza Butterfield
FHL Film Number 1894229
Reference ID #90 p46

Name Thomas Thwaites Knox
Gender Male
Baptism Date 10 Sep 1843
Baptism Place Fenton, Stafford, England
Father George Knox
Mother Ann
FHL Film Number 1470947
Reference ID item 14 p 47

Are you in contact with the other 3 GR members who have your father in their trees on here?

Edith's sister..................OP's grandmother, Thomas Gratton has no biological connection

Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
Colclough Annie J Knox Stoke T. 6b 397
Knox Bert Colclough Stoke T. 6b 397

Her children..................

Births Mar 1933 (>99%)
Knox Sylvia A Colclough Stoke T 6b 253
Births Mar 1935 (>99%)
Knox Eileen M Colclough Stoke T. 6b 316
Births Jun 1938 (>99%)
Knox Thomas Colclough Stoke 6b 328

OP's father did not 'magic out of the sky'


1939 Register
17 Thomas Street, Stoke-On-Trent, Stoke-On-Trent C.B., Staffordshire, England

Bert Knox 20 Sep 1905 Male Potters Glost Placer Married 330 1
Annie Knox 10 Aug 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 330 2
Sylvia (A) Hemmings (Knox) 29 Dec 1932 Female At School Single 330 3
?illen (M) Lambert (Knox) 13 Jan 1935 Female At School Single 330 4
Thomas Knox 22 Mar 1938 Male Under School Age Single 330 5

The unknown quantity here is Annie's father...........and Edith's, who are not necessarily one and the same - when one takes into account the seven year difference in their ages. Their mother's line is easily followed

Why? The DNA could possibly prove it one way or another.

A DNA test taken by Amanda would have no bearing on Thomas and Edith.

It'll be easier to get Thomas and Edith's marriage cert , at least for a start, to find out his age and his father's details.

If that doesn't lead anywhere, then maybe think again about DNA - but that seems as if it wouldn't be very helpful in the circumstances.

It might lead you somewhere but it looks as though you would have to put in some hard work yourself but might end up no further forward,

Hi,

I am thinking of doing a DNA test, I would like to find out about my father side of the family. It like he magicked out of the sky one day.

My dad mum said of the family is a mystery. My dad would never speak about is family. I asked my sister if she remembers anything and she told me the same. Dad would never speak about is family.

I was hoping that the DNA test might solve to issues.

The only person of my dad family l know was is older sister. The Knox side l have found lots of thigs, but the Colclough side.........

Would the DNA test help with this

Re the DNA test - it depends on what you are hoping to find and whether you have the ability to work through the clues you get,
Like any family history research you’ve got to be prepared to do the work.
It won’t, for instance, tell you who your parents are unless they have tested. It won’t tell you whether your matches are from your father or mother’s side,it is up to you to work it out. So if no relation you know has tested it can be difficult to sort out which side you are looking at, unless one parent has a unique profile.

BEWARE - you find out things you would rather not have known.

Absolutely no interest in doing so....................

Some people on here have, I know. Understanding the complexity of the results seems to be something of a minefield.

If you know for certain who your parents were, I'm not sure what benefit you would find in taking it. By definition, DNA gives results relating to the person tested.

Have any of you done the Ancestry DNA test ?

If so is it any good.

thanks

Let us know whether Thomas named a father - and how old he said he was on his wedding day.........plus father's occupation

Now I can C&P.......proving my info

GRATTON, THOMAS CHILTON RYLES
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in LEEK Volume 06B Page 295

Marriages Sep 1937 (>99%)
GRATTON Thomas C Harvey Leek 6b 931
Harvey Frances M Gratton Leek 6b 931

1939 Register
Leek Road, Endon, Leek R.D., Staffordshire, England
Thomas C Gratton 16 Oct 1910 Male Gardener Private Widowed 259 1
Frances Mary Beswick (Gratton) 20 Jan 1912 Female Dress Designer Married 259 2
One closed record...........and Frances re-married in 1984

Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%)
GRATTON THOMAS C 57 STOKE/T 9B 509

Erikah

Thank you for the information, l must of mad a typo on my tree.

I will buy Edith and Thomas marriage cert.

We defo know she married Thomas Gratton in 1937

we also know that

Graham Thomas 1943
Lillian 1943 were her children