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I am struggling to find John Alfred Wright born 5/3/1897 in Pipewell, Northamptonshire on the 1921 census. I have found his birth, 1901 , 1911 and 1939 register along with his death in 1980 however can not find him in 1921 or his WW1 Army record. I appreciate the latter may have been destroyed. Here is the 1911 census:

John Alfred Wright
in the 1911 England Census

Name John Alfred Wright
Age in 1911 14
Estimated Birth Year abt 1897
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Birth Place Pipewell, Norths
Civil parish Stockerston, Stoke Dry and Liddington
County/Island Rutland
Country England
Street Address Stoke Dry Uppingham
Marital Status Single
Occupation Farm Labourer
Registration District Number 410
Sub-registration district Uppingham
ED, institution, or vessel 07
Piece 19399
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Charles Wright 40 Head
Elizebeth Wright 37 Wife
Albert Charles Wright 16 Son
John Alfred Wright 14 Son
Francess Liban Wright 12 Daughter
Herbert Wright Son
Mable Wright 7 Daughter
Bryan Wright 5 Son
Grace Mary Wright 3 Daughter
Frank Wright 1 Son

He married May Elizabeth Gubbins in 1924

If he was not at home on the night of the census eg. night working) he would not appear.

:-(

If this is him in 1939, the 5.3.1897 DOB is not as given on the Death registration

The 2 named children shown would appear to be from the Wright/Gubbings marriage
and there was a 3rd child born 1934 - all Market Harborough RD

1939 Register
West Street, Welford, Brixworth R.D., Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
John A Wright 10 Mar 1897 Male Wharf Labourer Married 108 1
Mary E Wright 18 May 1901 Female Unpaid Domestiic Duti Married 108 2
Peter J Wright 01 Oct 1925 Male At School Single 108 3
Shiela M (Sheila) Saunders (Wright) 05 May 1932 Female At School Single 108 4
The record for this person is officially closed.

Mary's date is incorrect too. It should be 17th May 1901. It is the correct family though :-)

not with his family in 1921


Name Charles Wright
Gender Male
Nationality British
Marital Status Married
Age 50 Years 3 Months
Relation to Head Head
Estimated Birth Year 1871
Birth Place Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address Stoke Dry, Uppingham
Residence Place Stoke Dry, Rutland, England
Occupation Cowman Farm Labourer
Occupation Code 022/6
Employer John Blood Farmer
Employer Code 010
Place of Work Stoke Dry
Inhabited Y
Parliamentary Division Lincolnshire, Parts of Kesteven & Rutland Pc, Rutland & Stamford Div.
Registration District Uppingham
Registration District Number 410
Sub registration district Uppingham
Sub Registration District Number 1
Respondent Charles Wright
Enumeration District Name Uppingham Rd
Enumeration District 7
Schedule 98
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Charles Wright 50 Years 3 Months Head
Elizabeth Wright

47 Years 2 Months

Wife
R Bryan Wright

15 Years 11 Months

Son
Grace Mary Wright

13 Years 11 Months

Daughter
Elizabeth Bessie Wright

9 Years 9 Months

Daughter
Frank Henry Wright

11 Years 3 Months

Son
Bwenard Cecil Wright

5 Years 2 Months

Son

Thank you Maddie
I am now guessing he was still in the Military and as that is not seemingly available is frustrating as there is nothing from 1911 - 1939. Apart from the marriage in 1924. I will have to perhaps purchase the certificate to see what it says.
Family say he was a Regimental Sargeant Major however I can find nothing :-(
Anything else you might find would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you everyone for looking
:-D

While you are waiting for the certificate check out where his regiment was stationed. If they were overseas this could also explain why he was missing off the census.

For info: workers on a night shift who were working on the night of the census are not generally included as they were ‘not at home’ on the date of the census. For instance, in mining communities households were often shown with ‘wife of miner’ with the husband not appearing anywhere else.
If someone was travelling overnight then they were ‘not at home’.
All sorts of reasons for not appearing on the census.

Thank you very much

His occupation will be on the birth certs of children

An RSM is a career soldier - one would have expected him still to be serving in 1939 if he had achieved that rank, which is actually Warrant Officer, Class 1. The highest rank attainable without actually being commissioned

Military records from 1920 are not online............they are either with the MoD or at the National Archives

If he served during WW1 he could have gained rank quicker than usual and he may have been medically unfit for later service or if he had left the army and had’t yet been recalled.

Finding where his Regiment was based would require knowing which Regiment he was with

I suspect this could be him in 1921? Sorry the layout on fmp is not the best...just read every second line.

1921 Census Of England & Wales
2, Leicestershire Rgt, New Cantonments, Delhi, India, Army, Armed Forces Overseas

Transcript of John Alfred's record
First name(s) John Alfred
House number suffix ND
Last name Wright
Street Leicestershire Rgt, New Cantonments, Delhi, India
Sex Male
Address 2 Nd Leicestershire Rgt, New Cantonments, Delhi, India
Birth year 1895
Name of ship or barracks New Cantonments, Delhi
Census date 19 June 1921
Location of ship or barracks 2nd Battalion, Leicestershire Regiment, New Cantonments, Delhi, India
Age in years 26
Registration district Army
Age in months 3
Sub-district India (Part)
Age as transcribed 26 y 3 m
County Army
Marital status Single
Country Armed Forces Overseas
Birth place Rutland, England
Archive The National Archives
Birth county Rutland
Archive series RG 15
Birth country England
Piece number 28117
Birth place as transcribed Upperingham, Rutland
Page 16
Nationality British
Schedule type code NM
Occupation code 813
Schedule type Armed Forces, multiple page, 70+ entries
Occupation code with suffix 813/6
Other household member's first name(s) -
Employer code 701
Other household member's last name -
Rank or rating Private
Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales
Branch of service Army
Category Census, land & surveys
Service and branch or arm of service Army 2 Leicester Regt
Subcategory Census
Language used to complete form English
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
House number 2

1921 included military personnel. 1939 did not because the country was at war

Only if you were in barracks.

1921 is great thank you
Where would I look to see if there is any military record?

Try Ancestry & national archives.

A lot depends on when he left the army. He obviously remained in the Army after WW1 so his records will not be included on that. It may be that you will have to apply for his records - at a cost.

WW11 records are slowly being digitised and released.

Christopher
See my post 23/2 at 14.07

Thank you both :-D