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Could someone with FMP look for a Service record, with an enlistment date 27/09/1910, surname Phillips and the following Regiment/Service number

Royal Irish Regiment 10095

and/or any other records relating to (same Surname)

RAF 308454
15th Battalion Worcestershire Regiment 47767


I have located a UK, WWI, Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923 for a Thomas Joseph Phillips which suggests that the above Service numbers are the same person despite a Worcestershire Silver War Badge entry, with above Service number, being attributed to a John Phillips. The Pension card is available to view on Ancestry, but I am looking for Attestation papers for Joseph.

The birth certificate referred to by the OP Re Swindon identifies Patrick's father as Thomas Joseph Phillips PRIVATE 15TH WORCESTER REGIMENT.

There is a paper trail but I'm too tired to fully present my findings

Britain, First World War Campaign Medals
Great Britain

First name(s) J
Theatre of war 1
Last name Phillips
Theatre of war description Western Europe
Disembarkation year 1914
Remarks 47767 Pte Disch. 2.1.18
Disembarkation date 19 Dec 1914
Archive The National Archives
Rank Private
Archive series WO 329
Rank as transcribed Private.
Archive reference WO 329/2710
Service number 10095
Record set Britain, First World War Campaign Medals
Regiment Worcestershire Regiment
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Previous unit R.I. Regt.
Subcategory First World War
Medals awarded 1914-15 Star
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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War Office: Service Medal And Award Rolls Index, First World War
Great Britain

First name(s) John
Country Great Britain
Last name Phillips
Medal type British Army Medal Index Cards, 1914-1920
Year 1914-20
Archive The National Archives
Service number 10095, 47767
Series title War Office: Service Medal And Award Rolls Index, First World War
Second service number 47767
Series WO 372
Rank Private,Private
Archive reference WO372/15
Second rank Private
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Regiment Royal Irish Regiment, Worcestershire Regiment
Record set Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards
Second corps Worcestershire Regiment
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Service record Soldier Number: 10095, Rank: Private, Corps: Royal Irish Regiment
Subcategory Medal Rolls and Honours
Second service record Soldier Number: 47767, Rank: Private, Corps: Worcestershire Regiment
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Image link http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D4624741

British Army Service Records
Great Britain

First name(s) J
Archive The National Archives
Last name Phillips
Series WO 363
Year 1914-20
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Service number 10095
Record set British Army Service Records
Unit / Battalion 1st Battalion
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment Royal Irish Rifles
Subcategory First World War
Originating Record WO 363. R/15883 Bernard Murray, King's Royal Rifle Corps
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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From original - leads to Hospital list which includes a list headed No. 19085
No.14 General Hospital Serial No. 48 30th April 1915
10095 Phillips J 1st Royal Irish Rifles No trace

British Army Service Records
Great Britain

First name(s) J
Archive The National Archives
Last name Phillips
Series WO 364
Year 1914-20
Series description Wo 364 - First World War Pension Claims
Service number 10095
Record set British Army Service Records
Unit / Battalion 1st Battalion
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment Royal Irish Fusiliers
Subcategory First World War
Originating Record WO 364. 274 Henry Kronman, Royal Army Medical Corps
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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From original -
Hospital list No. H118 Amendments

NO. 19085
No 14 General Hospital 30th April 1915
"With regard to the undermentioned men although the hospital verify the entries as being correct, it is still found impossible to trace these men according to the records in this office
- list includes 10095 Pte Phillips J RI . Ir. Fus

Britain, First World War Campaign Medals
Great Britain

First name(s) John
1914 corps 2nd R Irish Regt 10095
Last name Phillips
Medals awarded British War Medal And Victory Medal
Disembarkation year -
Archive The National Archives
Disembarkation date -
Archive series WO 329
Rank Private
Archive reference WO 329/1170
Rank as transcribed Private.
Record set Britain, First World War Campaign Medals
Service number 47767
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment Worcestershire Regiment
Subcategory First World War
Previous unit 1st R Irish Regt 10095-Pte
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
© Naval and Military Press Ltd

War Office: Service Medal And Award Rolls Index, First World War
Great Britain

First name(s) John
Archive The National Archives
Last name Phillips
Series title War Office: Service Medal And Award Rolls Index, First World War
Year 1914-20
Series WO 372
Service number 47767
Archive reference WO372/15
Rank Private
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Regiment Worcestershire Regiment
Record set Britain, Campaign, Gallantry & Long Service Medals & Awards
Service record Soldier Number: 47767, Rank: Private, Corps: Worcestershire Regiment
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Image link http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D4624782
Subcategory Medal Rolls and Honours
Country Great Britain
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Medal type British Army Medal Index Cards, 1914-1920

Air Ministry: Air Member For Personnel And Predecessors: Airmen's Records
Bedfordshire

First name(s) J
Next of kin last name Phillips
Last name Phillips
Country England
Birth year 1893
Archive The National Archives
Birth date 17 Apr 1893
Series title Air Ministry: Air Member For Personnel And Predecessors: Airmen's Records
Birth county Bedfordshire
Series AIR 79
Service number 308454
Archive reference AIR 79/2678
Attestation age 25
Record set British Royal Air Force, Airmen's Service Records 1912-1939
Attestation year 1918
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation date 17 Oct 1918
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Next of kin first name(s) -
Collections from Great Britain, England
© DC Thomson Family History

From original; -
Born 17.4.1893
Town - Enniscorthy
Parish - St Mary's
County - Wexford

Date current engagement commenced - Man Service - 17.10.18
Age at that date - 25
Person to be informed of causalites - gives address only which is 27 court Street, Ennis Courtley, Co Wexford
Transfer to RAF Reserve - 29.3.19 (?------)135a (I can't decipher)
Discharge Date - 30..4.1920

Medical Board date 17.10.18 - result (looks like B I )

There is a short list of Movements showing dates moved from 1 unit to another but I can't read most of it but looking at next page, something to do with Musketry ??

Awarded Silver War Badge No. 299044, no date given

Greyghost do you have an FMP subscription?

I am aware of the information you are posting, which all goes to prove that Thomas used an alias of John after deserting in 1916 from the Royal Irish Regiment.

I'm trying to confirm this through documentary evidence held by FMP with a Pension or Attestation record from 1910 regarding Thomas Joseph Phillips. (Ideally with Service number 10095 at time of Attestation)

The RAF entry, I believe reads, School of Musketry

The records above are the ONLY ones on FMP for the Service number you quote

My thought process is as follows

Thomas is recruited into the RIR 27/9/1910 (Service number 10095)

Awarded 1914 Star (Mons) with RIR.

Marries in December 1915.

Deserts in 1916 from Cork (Police Gazette entry).11 Nov 1916
DESERTION=FIRING SQUAD

Travels to England (date unknown)

Joins Worcestershire's (date unknown) under alias JOHN PHILLIPS, Service number 47767

Patrick is born November 1917 (Commercial Street, Swindon). Father is named as Thomas Joseph Phillips 15th Worcesters.
Could the birth address have been a red herring??
Patrick's certificate has recorded his father's real name which meant Thomas could be traced as a deserter?? Although Cork to Swindon in 1917, I don't think the authoriites would've put 2+2 together.

John Phillips 47767 is awarded a Silver War Badge dated (Coten End, Warwick) December 1917, which serving with the 15th. KR para 392 XVI para 2(a)(i) AO 265/17
(No longer physically fit for War Service)
***John's date of Enlistment matches Thomas' with the RIR in 1910 exactly. ***

Returns to Ireland (date unknown)

17th October 1918 joins RAF as John Phillips address is 27 Court Street, Ennis Courtley, Co Wexford

The Newspaper article from 19 Oct 1918 reads "Thomas Phillips, a discharged soldier living at Hospital Lane and wearing the Mons medal"
War is still in effect and he's been identified in the Newspaper and a street address is given in Ireland........ ( remember DESERTED=FIRING SQUAD)( so could the Hospital Lane address be another red herring, as he's given the RAF a Court Street address??)

Transferred to RAF G reserve 29th March 1919
Discharged from RAF 30th April 1920

Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923 is created, with emendation regarding John Phillips in 1952

I haven't researched the Regimental numbering sequences for the Worcestershire's to establish what date period 47767 falls into

Observations and comments invited.......

HUSBAND AND WIFE - For an alleged assault on 8th March, Mary Phillips, Irish St, summoned her husband Thomas Phillips, Nunnery Rd.

Mr Dunbar, for claimant, said the case had been adjourned from last court for a settlement but there was no chance of effecting one.

Complainant in her evidence,stated she was married to defendant 9 years ago. Her husband never had any home except what her father gave them. Her father had to get out of his bed one time to prevent her husband choking her. On the 8th Mar, when she came in from Mass, her husband made an accusation against her. She had to complain to the 'cruelty man.' This was in Wexford. Her husband followed her back to Enniscorthy and beat her in the house. He said he wanted to take her life. He had been beating her for 9 years. Two children died on his account, and she was afraid to live with him.

Defendant said he made 2 homes for his wife. In reply to Mr Fahy, he said he was an ex soldier and was disabled at the time his wife was referring to. He had a pension but was receiving no unemployment money. He was a farm labourer. His wife ran away from the homes he made for her. He got a priest to ask her to come back, but she refused. She left one child when it was 6 weeks old. When he came home he found the child in bed and the house locked up. His sister had to rear another child. Defendant alleged his wife let the other 2 children die from neglect.

Mr Fahy: Where are you living now?
With my uncle in St Clair's.

Mr Fahy said he would like to deal with this case by getting both husband and wife prosecuted for neglecting the children. He thought that was what should be done with them. He dismissed the case and added that he would get a special watch kept on both husband and wife by the Civic Guard and the Prevention of Cruelty Officer and if he had a complaint against husband or wife from these people he would send them to jail for a stiff term of imprisonment. He asked Inspector McCabe, Civic Guard, to keep an eye on them.

THE FREE PRESS (WEXFORD) 12 May 1923


You've built up a fairly good case there Jink20 and I'm inclined to go along with your thinking. I'm not sure who is telling the truth in the above case but the poor children are certainly caught in the middle.

There is also an article in the New Ross Standard 11 May 1923 which is much the same story BUT there is this passage

"Defendant (Thomas) asked complainant (Mary) where did her father make a home for him and she replied in Court Street where he (defendant) turned around and beat her father. DEFENDANT: I beat him when he insulted me. Why should I let him beat me?"

He said he was an ex soldier on a pension, working as a farm labourer when he could. He had made two homes for his wife but she did not want to be with the children and kept running away. He once came home and found a 6 week old child in the bed, a child on the floor and no-one at home. She ran up to the hospital once and left 2 children with him. His sister had to take the 3 month old and rear it.

"She had two of the children above in the County Home that she let die with pure neglect. These were the children she said he had killed and he never had saw them once outside the County Home."

He said he was stopping at his uncle's.