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Can anyone find out what happened to this girl, please?

I know about her parents and brother. It's only Alice I can't find.


STANLEY, ALICE MAUD MARY mmn BARTLETT
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 1216


Alice Maud Mary Stanley
in the 1911 England Census
Name Alice Maud Mary Stanley
Age in 1911 2
Estimated Birth Year abt 1909
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place Bodicote, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish Bodicote
County/Island Oxfordshire
Country England
Street Address Goose Lane Bodicote Banbury
Registration District Number 158
Sub-registration district Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel 04
Piece 8269
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Henry Stanley 27 Head
Maud Mary Stanley 29 Wife
Alice Maud Mary Stanley 2 Daughter


In WW1, her father was in the Royal Berkshire Regiment, and was killed in 1918.

Alice M. M. Stanley
in the UK, World War I Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
Name Alice M. M. Stanley
Birth Date 22 May 1908 <<<<<<<<<
Residence Place Bodicote, Banbury
Relation to Soldier Child
Title WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description Other Ranks Died Standding F-Stanley Tom
Next of Kin (Name) Relation to Soldier
John Henry Stanley
Maud Mary Stanley Widow
Alice M. M. Stanley Child
Vernon A.f. Stanley Child




Alice Maud Mary Stanley
in the 1921 England Census
Name Alice Maud Mary Stanley
Gender Female
Age 13 Years 1 Month
Relation to Head Daughter
Orphanhood Father Dead
Estimated Birth Year 1908
Birth Place Bodicote, Oxfordshire, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address Main St, Bodicote
Residence Place Bodicote, Oxfordshire, England
Education Whole-Time
Inhabited Y
Parliamentary Division Oxfordshire Pc, Banbury Div.
Registration District Banbury
Registration District Number 158
Sub registration district Bloxham
Sub Registration District Number 1
Respondent Mrs M M Stanley
Enumeration District Name Banbury Rd
Enumeration District 4
Schedule 63
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Maud Mary Stanley 39 Years 6 Months Head
Alice Maud Mary Stanley 13 Years 1 Month Daughter
Vernon Alfred John Stanley 8 Years 10 Months Son

I can't see Alice after 1921.

Her mother remarried later in 1921, to Richard Joines.
Alice isn't with them (or anywhere that I can see) in 1939.

She is NOT the Alice Stanley who married Frederick Brown in 1933 - that woman was born 1910.

I'm 99.9% sure she's not any of the women of that name in Australia.

She's in 16 trees on Ancestry. None of the public ones suggest a death for her, except one in 1984 in Oxford - but that woman's DOB was 6 Feb 1909.

She married Henry Dowber on Apr 2nd, 1931 at the Church of the Holy Rood, Watford. He was the son of Bernard Dowber of New York. She was the only daughter of the late John Henry Stanley, Bodicote and Mrs R Joines, Watford.

Banbury Advertiser 16 Apr 1931

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Watford, Hertfordshire, England
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Transcript of Alice M M's record
First name(s) Alice M M
County Hertfordshire
Last name Stanley
Country England
Marriage quarter 2
Volume 3A
Marriage year 1931
Volume as transcribed 3A
Registration month -
Page number 2315
MarriageFinder™ Alice M M Stanley married one of these people
Henry Dowber
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Dowber
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Watford



so here she is in 1939

1939 Register
Conns Cottage High Street, Ditchling, Chailey R.D., Sussex, England

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Henry Dowber 06 Aug 1898 Male Hairdresser Married 238 1
Alice Bird (Gould,Dowber) 22 May 1908 Female Hairdresser Married 238 2

Marriages Sep 1954 (>99%)
DOWBER Alice M M BIRD Leeds 2c 786

Deaths 1988 (>99%)
BIRD ALICE MAUD 22MY1908 LEEDS 5 732

Hampshire Telegraph and Post Friday November 24th 1939

Puncture delayed them

Summoned for exceeding the speed limit with a motor-car in a built up area at Bridge Road Salisbury on Oct 22, Henry Dowber of High Street, Ditchling (Sussex) wrote stating that he was taking his brother back to barracks when they had a puncture. He was hurrying and forgot that the area was restricted.

Wow - thank you all very much!
I'd spent so long searching marriages and deaths, but missed that!

The 1939 register indicates that her surname was Gould at some stage.

The annotation relating to that name is NR230, which means a name change for a reason other than marriage or divorce.

Presumably she lived with a Gould at some time between 1939 and 1954, and used his name without being married to him.


Re "Conns Cottage" in 1939 - I see on Streetview that it's called Conds Cottage, at 30 High Street. Very picturesque - the middle house here:
https://tinyurl.com/vdwutd2m

Greyghost posted a report of Henry Dowber speeding in 1939.

Previous trouble:

Assize Action Settled

Sussex Assizes, at Lewes, on Monday, before Mr Justice Humphreys, an action was settled in which Miss Elsie May Harris, of the County Bridge Club, South Coast-road, Peacehaven, brought against Mr Henry Dowber, of Cour Cottage, Ditchling, and Messrs. Thomas Tilling, Ltd., Victoria Street. London, for damages for personal injuries, and, or, consequential damages sustained her in collision between a car driven by Mr Dowber, in which she was a passenger, and a motor omnibus Ltd,. . .
The accident occurred at the junction of Marine- drive Brighton, on July 3.

Geoffrey Lawrence, for the plaintiff, said a settlement had been reached by the payment by the defendants of an agreed sum to the plaintiff. Counsel asked for payment out court of £250, order for the taxation of the costs, and order for payment .£l0 paid into court for plaintiff’s security for costs. His Lordship agreed to the settlement.
Published: Friday 20 December 1935
Newspaper: Sussex Express

ANOTHER DITCHLING CASE.
Mrs. Alice Dowber. of Cons Cottage. Ditchling, was summoned for a similar offence, at 8.15 p.m., on October 14th. P.C. Hayes was the informant in this case also, and said he was on duty in High Street when he saw a bright light coming from the window of defendant's hairdressing saloon. The light was causing a glow on to the road and on buildings opposite defendant's premises. Witness made inquiries and found that the trouble was due to defendant having placed an electric table lamp at the rear of the saloon. The light shone through an inner glass partition and through the outer window, both being uncurtained. He drew defendant's attention to the matter, and she said she went outside the premises earlier in the evening and everything then appeared to be all right. Witness added that he had previously warned defendant about the lights. Supt. Holloway said a police-sergeant had also warned defendant. Defendant, in a ... . . .

Published: Saturday 28 October 1939
Newspaper: Crawley and District Observer

Your Henry seems to be a bit of a mystery man. Up until 1930, he is in Watford with Florence, who I assume is his wife per electoral roles.

Dowber Florence M 1896 1930
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Watford, Hertfordshire, England



1921 Census Of England & Wales
243, Caledonian Road, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Harry Dowber Head
Male 1889 32 Dalston, London, England Hair Dresser Own Business Own Account
Florence M Dowber Wife
Female 1895 26 Islington, London, England Housewife -
Gwendoline Dowber Daughter
Female 1918 3 Islington, London, England


His year of birth is 1889 not 1898.


So that brings up this marriage where he is a hairdresser and his father is an electrical engineer named George (not Bernard as in the newspaper clipping)


Name Henry Dowber
Gender Male
Marriage Age 26
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1891
Marriage Date 22 Apr 1917
Marriage Place Saint Matthias, Caledonian Road: Caledonian Road, Islington, England
Father
George Dowber
Spouse
Florence May Needs
Register Type Parish Register
Reference Number 8540240
Additional Reference Number 520435

So now you have these 2 possibles. First one is the correct profession. Could they be the same person?

1911 Census For England & Wales
53 Stainsby Road, Limehouse, London & Middlesex, England
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Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Billige Head
Married Male 53 1858 Hair dresser Germany
Annie Billige Wife
Married Female 58 1853 - London Islington
Herman Billige Son
Single Male 16 1895 - Essex Ilford
Lilian Billige Daughter
- Female 10 1901 - London Kings X
>>Henry Dober Assistant
Single Male 20 1891 Hair dresser London Poplar


and this one.

1911 Census For England & Wales
64 Sussex Street Poplar E, Poplar Borough, London & Middlesex, England
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Household members (14 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Boleslaw Dowbor Head
Married Male 40 1871 Cabinet maker Vilna Poland Residnet
Dominika Dowbor Wife
Married Female 45 1866 - Vilna Poland Resident
Rosalia Rovitska Mother in law
Widow Female 94 1817 Cook domestic Vilna Poland Resident
>>Henry Dowbor Son
Single Male 21 1890 Cabinet maker London Poplar
Edward Dowbor Son
Single Male 20 1891 Hairdresser London Poplar
Donat Dowbor Son
Single Male 16 1895 Polisher London Poplar
Waclaw Dowbor Son
Single Male 15 1896 Sather boy London Poplar
Albert Dowbor Son
- Male 13 1898 School London Poplar
Lily Dowbor Daughter
- Female 10 1901 School London Poplar
Frederick Dowbor Son
- Male 7 1904 School London Poplar
Martha Dowbor Daughter
- Female 6 1905 School London Poplar
Charlie Grosse Boarder
Single Male 47 1864 Cabinet maker Vilna Russia Resident
John Stemplinski Boarder
Single Male 38 1873 Cabinet maker Vilna Russia Residnet
Mary Dowbor Da
Single Female 19 1892 Waterproof maker London



His family actually emigrate to the US not New York though.



Berlessla Dobwer

in the 1920 United States Federal Census


Name Berlessla Dobwer [Berlusla Dobwer] [Berkula Dobwer] [
]
Age 52
Birth Year abt 1868
Birthplace Poland
Home in 1920 Detroit Ward 9, Wayne, Michigan
Street Chene St
House Number 685
Residence Date 1920
Race White
Gender Male
Immigration Year 1916
Relation to Head of House Head
Marital Status Married
Spouse's Name Daisy Dobwer
Father's Birthplace Poland
Mother's Birthplace Poland
Native Tongue Polish
Able to Speak English Yes
Occupation Cabinet Maker
Industry Auto Factory Co
Employment Field Wage or Salary
Home Owned or Rented Rented
Naturalization Status Alien
Able to read Yes
Able to Write Yes
Neighbors
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Berlessla Dobwer 52 Head
Daisy Dobwer 55 Wife
George Dobwer 25 Son
Gene Dobwer 22 Daughter-in-law
Lillie Dobwer 19 Daughter
Fredrick Dobwer 17 Son
Martha Dobwer 16

Name Boleslaw William Dowber
Gender Male
Birth Date 1869
Birth Place Vilnius, Lithuania
Death Date 2 Apr 1948
Death Place Wayne County, Michigan, United States of America
Cemetery Mount Olivet Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, United States of America
Has Bio? Y
Spouse
Dominika Daisy Dowber
Children
Lillian Englund
URL
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/203068892/boleslaw-william-dowber



So now we have this E/R

Name Henry Dowber
Residence Date 1933-1934
Street Address Henri, >>South Coast Road<<
Residence Place Peacehaven, Sussex, England
Parliamentary Division Lewes

with Alice Dowber and Edward Dowber (his brother?)


Possible child? He died the same year.

Births Dec 1931 (>99%)
Dowber Henry Joynes Newhaven 2b 222

Yes, Henry's a mystery.
He seems to disappear altogether after 1939.

I wondered if he might have been born in America (going by the claim that his father was in NY), but couldn't find any Bernard Dowber (or other spelling) with a son named Henry.
I searched with surname Dauber, thinking that Dowber might be an Anglicisation.
However, it's all just speculation, with no result.

Yes, I agree the 1931 child could be his and Alice's.

Re 1911, I would be inclined to go with the hairdresser - based purely on occupation.
However, unless he is the same man with a double life in 1911, there's no sign of him anywhere else!

17 Ancestry trees have Boleslaw and Dominika as his parents - but there's no proof that's the right man.

His birth is given variously as in Vilnius, London, or Germany.
Also Wisconsin, because people have picked the wrong Poplar from a dropdown list!

Henry Dowber
in the 1901 England Census
Name Henry Dowber
Age 12
Estimated Birth Year abt 1889
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Father Boleslaw Dowber
Mother Dominica Dowber
Birth Place London, England
Civil parish Limehouse
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Ecclesiastical parish St Anne
County/Island London
Country England
Registration District Stepney
Sub-registration district Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel 20
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 323
Folio 41
Page number 31
Household schedule number 183
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Boleslaw Dowber 32 Head
Dominica Dowber 30
Wife Henry Dowber 12 Son
Edward Dowber 11 Son
Mary Dowber 9 Daughter
Donat Dowber 7 Son
Maulaw Dowber 5 Son
Albert Dowber 3 Son
Lily Dowber 11/12 Daughter


Henri Douber
in the 1891 England Census
Name Henri Douber
[Henri Dowber]
Gender Male
Age 1
Relationship Son
Birth Year 1890
Father
Bolestan Douber
Mother
Dominica Douber
Birth Place Preußen
Civil parish Limehouse
Residence Place London, Limehouse, London, England
Registration District Stepney
Sub registration district Limehouse
ED, Institution or Vessel 20
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 297
Folio 67
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Bolestan Douber 23 Head
Dominica Douber 24 Wife
Henri Douber 1 Son
Edward Douber 5 Son

However, at least I know about Alice, whose grandfather was a brother of my maternal gr-grandmother.