Another Alice Maud Mary . . .

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Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 27,252 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	29 Mar 2025 12:48
	I'll be grateful for help with the later life of Alice Maud Mary White, previously Spraggett, nee Beasley, please. The surname is Baseley or Bazeley in several older records for her parents and siblings, but after approx Alice's birth it settles as Beasley. BASELEY, ALICE MAUD MARY mmn HARDIMAN GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in SOUTHAM Volume 06D Page 632 In 1881 she's with her father John and siblings in Withybrook, Warks. 31/10/1890, she married William Spraggett in Long Itchington, Warks. [ErikaH, I believe you have William's brother Charles distantly in your tree.] 1901: Alice & William, with their 3 children Vivian, Rose, and Willie, are in Church Lane, Long Itchington. Round about 1906-7, Alice leaves William and the children, and moves in with Percy White. In 1911 William says he's widowed. In 1911, Alice (calling herself Kate , born in Warwick c1880 ???) is with Percy and their three children: Percy White in the 1911 England Census Name Percy White Age in 1911 31 Estimated Birth Year abt 1880 Relation to Head Head Gender Male Birth Place Warwick Civil parish West Bromwich County/Island Staffordshire Country England Street Address 10 Railway Terrace, Spon Lane, West Bromwich Marital Status Married Occupation Labour, Iron Foundry Registration District Number 371 Sub-registration district West Bromwich South West ED, institution, or vessel 03 Piece 17285 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Percy White 31 Head Kate White 31 Wife Nellie White 3 Daughter Dolly White 2 Daughter Mollie White 1/12 Daughter WHITE, NELLY ELIZABETH mmn BEASLEY GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 865 WHITE, DOLLY mmn BEASLEY GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 814 "Mollie" ???: WHITE, REBECCA mmn BEASLEY GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 848 In 1917, Alice and Percy marry, after William Spraggett's death in 1915.. Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%) Spraggott Alice M M White W.Bromwich 6b 1436 White Percy Spraggott W.Bromwich 6b 1436 (Probably Spraggett on image, but very blurry.) In 1921, they're still in Railway Terrace: Percy White in the 1921 England Census Name Percy White Gender Male Marital Status Married Age 45 Years 7 Months Relation to Head Head Estimated Birth Year 1875 Birth Place Leamington, Warwickshire, England Residence Date 1921 Residence Street Address 6 Railway Terrace Residence Place West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Occupation Motor Driver Iron Warehouse Occupation Code 720/6 Employer Mc Arthur Paradice St W B Employer Code 630 Number of Children Under 16 3 Inhabited Y Ward Spon Lane Parliamentary Division West Bromwich Pb Registration District West Bromwich Registration District Number 371 Sub registration district West Bromwich South West Sub Registration District Number 3 Respondent White (Percy) Enumeration District Name West Bromwich Cb Enumeration District 3 Schedule 13 Schedule Type Code E Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Percy White 45 Years 7 Months Head Alice Maude White 42 Years 3 Months Wife Nellie White 13 Years 9 Months Daughter Dolly White 12 Years 9 Months Daughter Rebecca White 10 Years 3 Months Daughter Percy may have died in 1932 - though his age and birthplace are uncertain: WHITE, PERCY 51 GRO Reference: 1932 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 638 However, I can't see Alice or the White girls after 1921. Any brainwaves welcome! Thanks.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,480 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	29 Mar 2025 13:27
	Marriage for Dolly 1928 West Bromwich to Noah Cashmore, who is widowed by 1939 Death of Dolly Cashmore aged 28 in 1937……. One child born 1930, Joan, who married Bertram Killworth in 1971
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,480 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	29 Mar 2025 13:36
	In 1939, Joan is with Aunt Nellie White at 3, Railway terrace, West Bromwich Also there is Olive White, invalid, born 1911, who may well be REBECCA, as her possible death reg is for Olive R Nellie married Alfred Perry in 1942
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 27,252 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	29 Mar 2025 14:22
	Oh, that's good, ErikaH - thanks for finding Nellie and Joan in 1939. Don't know why it didn't occur to me to search 1939 by address.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,480 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	29 Mar 2025 14:39
	Nellie Elizabeth Perry DoB 01.09.1907 died in Sandwell Staffs in 1995 Nothing ‘jumping out’ re Alice…………so far. Not sure whether you’d want to get Percy’s death certificate to see who the informant was…….depends how ‘close’ she is to you, I guess.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 27,252 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	29 Mar 2025 17:14
	I'll think about it. Alice isn't at all close to me. William Spraggett's brother Charles was married to Louisa Butler, who was a sister of one of my Gr-grandfathers.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,480 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	29 Mar 2025 17:57
	Looking for Alice isn’t made any easier by her giving such varying info about her birth year. Even when she married for the first time……..
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 27,252 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	29 Mar 2025 18:15
	Percy's death cert : 1 August 1932, at West Bromwich and District General Hospital. Address: 3 Railway Terrace, Spon Lane, West Bromwich. Motor Lorry Driver. Cause of death: Lobar pneumonia. Informant: A M M White, widow of deceased, present at the death. 3 Railway Terrace. No help, except that Alice was obviously still living in 1932, and still at Railway Terrace.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,480 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	29 Mar 2025 18:46
	Something to work with…………but not this evening ;-) ;-)
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 27,252 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	29 Mar 2025 18:51
	Got Alice's birth cert too. DOB 8 June 1874 - not that she stuck to that.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,480 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	30 Mar 2025 12:38
	As Nellie etc were at 3, Railway Terrace in 1939, the conclusion would seem to be that Alice either died or re-married before the Register was compiled. Otherwise, one would expect her still to be living there
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,480 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	30 Mar 2025 12:52
	The 1936 death in W Brom for an Alice Maud born 1883 is a possibility, in view of the fluctuation in birth years on census records
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 27,252 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	30 Mar 2025 16:07
	I had discounted that death, as the age was so wrong, but that is indeed her death. Thanks for bringing it back to my attention. 4 July 1936 at 3 Railway Terrace. Alice Maud White, widow of Percy White, Motor Driver (Works). Age 53 [she was actually 62 ] Secondary carcinoma of spine , and carcinoma of body of uterus. [Poor Alice!] Informant: Nellie White, daughter, present at the death, 3 Railway Terrace.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,480 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	30 Mar 2025 17:20
	A satisfactory outcome

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