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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 May 2025 18:28

George's birth - so could be the child of John Henry and Elizabeth Ann:

BLACKWELL, GEORGE mmn DURDEN
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 154

When George married Ethel Brice in 1915, at Platt Bridge, he also didn't name a father.


Ancestry suggests this is John Henry's death - in which case, George and Elizabeth junior couldn't have been his children, but George could still have been registered as Blackwell, as that was his mother's name.

BLACKWELL, JOHN HENRY 25
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 574

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 May 2025 17:58

John Henry in 1881 - not that that's any help - but I can't see Elizabeth Ann so far:

John Blackwell
in the 1881 England Census
Name John Blackwell
Age 22
Estimated Birth Year abt 1859
Relationship to Head Son
Mother Ann Blackwell
Gender Male
Where born Hulme, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Hulme
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 47 Lavender St
Occupation Marble Mason
Registration District Chorlton
ED, institution, or vessel 31
Neighbors
Piece 3929
Folio 94
Page number 23
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Ann Blackwell 63 Head
John Blackwell 22 Son

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 May 2025 17:45

For our reference:

Elizabeth Ann Durden
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name Elizabeth Ann Durden
Gender Female
Marriage Age 23
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1860
Marriage Date 1 Jul 1883
Marriage Place Hulme, St Michael, Manchester, England
Parish as it Appears S Michael Hulme
Father Joseph Durden [ deceased, joiner ]
Spouse John Henry Blackwell [ marble lmason ]
Reference Number M320/7/2/2
Item Number 5
Archive Roll 818

Witnesses: Harry Thompson and Fanny Blackwell

John's address: 47 Lavender Street.
Elizabeth's address: 34 Victoria Street

However, I don't see them in 1891 so far.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 21 May 2025 16:14

Good afternoon

I am looking for the birth of Elizabeth Ann Blackwell, who married Joseph Farrimond in Wigan in 1919. No father is given on the marriage certificate.

I have them on the 1921 census and 1939 register, where she gives her date of birth as 24/5/1896. They are still in Wigan.

Working backwards, on the 1911 census, I am looking at Elizabeth Ann Blackwell, adopted daughter and George Blackwell, adopted son of William and Amelia Jane Dearden. Both Elizabeth and George are stated to have been born in Salford.

On the 1901, George Blackwell is with this same family, with the spelling of Durden, not Dearden. No sign of Elizabeth Ann.

I have been on GRO, Lancs BMD, Lancs OPC but simply cannot find Elizabeth Ann anywhere.

Looking for a link with the Dearden (Durden) name, I found a marriage between a John Henry Blackwell and an Elizabeth Ann Durden in 1883, but haven't gone far with that.

Knowing how good some of you are at spotting the obvious, I thought I would pass it over for perusal, please. Many thanks. Cx