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Thanks Victor that may well be them, sorry forgot to mention I have sent for that cert. and waiting However I don't think it will help in tracking on the 1871 and 1881 census, which I need so that I can find William's birth place Cheers

John Picked up this on 1837. Sarah Ann Somerfield marriage reference Apr-Jun 1860 Wolverhampton 6B 597 William Lloyd marriage reference Apr-Jun 1860 Wolverhampton 6b 597 Could this be them???????????? cheers Victor

i have thought re remarriage but sarah should be on 1871 and John there is a John in 1881 with a brother Charles, who I know nothing about but occupation does not tally and anyway no def. proof to confirm it is him Keep trying lol

john, if sarah had died isnt there a chance of a remarriage for william, and also john would be 16ish by this time and probally not with his father,??, kay.

Kay Thought about that but it isn't. Bloxwich is the area. Found his future wife in 1871 in Bloxwich This is really exasperating

hi,john, what about the other Willenhall, a little out i know but just east side of coventry??? kay.

No John not the same person. With maiden name is Ordidge quite uncommon and not too difficult to trace in and around Willenhall, its where they came from to get Willenhall that is the problem. But thats another story. Cheers Vicotr

I have spoken to a lady on here who has a John in her tree and her nickname is Mumzieuk on har provider

John Sorry don't understand Victor

Victor I do have a possible sibling. I didn't want to make my message too long and turn people off. She is Ann Maria 1866 but I think she may have died prior to 1871. Is your wife Mumzieuk?

John This realy is a good one. I too have mebers of my tree that have been vacant from two or more census and it makes it so difficult to get a good trace. Not knowing if there are other siblings around does not help the matter as far as the marriage is concerned. As you say they could have married at any time. Have you trawled 1837? I know this would be a costly afair, and that you have searche the GRO but may be the only way. Do you think they married in the same area? My wife also has a John Lloyd in her tree but there is nothing in yours as yet that seems to connect them. She is a Willenhall lass. Cheers Victor.

William was a coal miner

Thanks for looking Georgina but I put in the main message that this was not them. I thought at first it was but after a long discussion on here with another member it i not. She can claim Martha and her family and in 1891 you will see that John living next door to them. That John also states Willenhall as birth place. Close to Bloxwich I know but it is definetly not them

What was Williams profession on Johns marriage certificate?

I have seen those Sommerfields and on the IGI there are some possibilities but nothing connecting William. Re the marriage I have searched the GRO The problem also here is how old were they? could have married before 1837 but unlikely

John Have you searched for the marriage of Willam and Sarah? If so where have you searched, so we don't go over the same ground. Victor

Have you seen this family in 1871?? Living 46 New St, Walsall foreign Ann M Somerfield 4 Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire John Somerfield 7 Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Staffordshire Sarah Somerfield 29 Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire Willm Somerfield 70 Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Staffordshire Sack maker Sampson Young 20 Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England Boarder Walsall Staffordshire Source information: RG10/2958 Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Bloxwich ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 82 Page: 25 The enumerator was not having a good day when he wrote out this page. William 70 is down as married, so too is everyone else in the family!!

That's the problem Jools. I have no idea of his age or place of birth. All I know was he was a miner. I can understand the family missing one census but 2?

It could possibly be her but there are a lot of possible Sarah's deaths around this time. that particular one would have been 14? whan she had John. Possible but tenuous Cheers

Got you. OK - William - have you any idea of his age or place of birth, have you found him on any census??