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Trying to trace my grandfathers family have a birth certificate but its an old one with no relatives put on it his name was Harvey Bowman Middleton born 14/11/1905 his fathers name was the same i know that much and his mums name was Grace Bull he was born in Colchester barracks or at least thats the story ive been told however, he was bought up in Hackney. any look up would be great if that is possible i know he is too young for the census but maybe his mum and dad are listed somewhere. Very greatful for any help Many

If you send for a new cert, ( a FULL) one, it should give you the info you need. I had the same, short one, with nothing on it apart from my name. The FULL certs give you all the info thats available. Elaine :-)

Hi, you should have the details of his mum and dads names and dads occupation plus their address on the certificate. If not, why dont you order it from GROonline for £7?

1901 possible ? Frederick Middleton 34 Preston, Suffolk, England Son Hackney London Harvey Middleton 48 Mile End, London, England Head Hackney London Kleigtia Middleton 56 Preston, Suffolk, England Wife Hackney London Richard Middleton 30 Preston, Suffolk, England Son Hackney London Ellen Poole 15 Not Stated Servant Hackney London Its the only Harvey of age to be a Father, on the census. If not correct Harvey, then they COULD be relatives, so I'd hold onto the info. Do you know if Mum & Dad actually married ? Elaine :-)

oh i thought that this birth certificate would be all that was recorded. Seems strange that these small ones were issued with such a small amount on them and its like tissue paper. Cheers

Thanks Elaine but his wife was called Grace i dont think they are related but i will keep the details just incase they come up in later searches. You never know where these names take you.

My parents weren't married, I don't know if this is anything to go by ? .... plus, the short certs are a LOT cheaper than the full ones. Elaine :-) Maybe they weren't married in 1901 ? Could the above be Harvey Srn with his first wife ? then he married Grace ... if they married ?

Yes you might be right about him being married twice i only know that he had my granddad and i think two more children a girl named grace as his wife was and a boy i think called tim he came out of the army and then owned a tobaccanist/ sweet shop.

Marriages Mar 1907 ARCHER Thomas Ward Hackney 1b 735 Bull Grace Hackney 1b 735 MIDDLETON Harvey Bowman Hackney 1b 735 Steel Alice Hackney 1b 735 Hope this helps .... The marriage cert will give you the Fathers names and Occupations of both ! and tell you if Harvey had been married previously Elaine :-)

Maybe ? 1901 Census: Grace Bull 23 Walthamstow, Essex, England Servant Hackney London Charles Block 51 France Head Hackney London Ruth Block 47 South Cave, Yorkshire, England Wife Hackney London Hackney ! Elaine :-)

sorry a bit thick and all that why are there four names on the mariage details who would the archer be etc..? And i think the grace bull servent is the one as i think i remember my mum saying something about she was a servent.

So my grandfather was born out of wedlock or so they say if he was born in 1905 and they married 1907?

This will be why he had a short birth cert ... well it was the reason I got a short one anyway !! I'm going to see IF the wife on the census died before 1907 ! Elaine :-) Can't see her on FreeBMD.

The tissue paper of a certitificate that i have got says 14 Nov 1905 but that is had written and i suppose it could be nine entry no 366 no 2 dated 7/12/1909 oh i think i have answered my own question 1909 Duh!!!!!! the district was colchester south east.

Who the hell was he i wonder could be grandad to my grandad looks like its going to cost me a fortune in certificates. Cheers

The death you have found Jonathon must be the same Harvey as on the census ..... so the census entry isn't the correct Harvey....so we can discount that Harvey Middleton. Elaine :-)

Where is Rutland? Do you have any listings in the 1891 census for Grace Bull she would have been 13 does she have any brothers or sisters etc?

I am seeing mymum and brother at the weekend so i will take these details to them and see if they ring any bells Many thanks

Thanks i think that must be here as she was 23 in the 1901 census which means she was born about 1878 making her 13 in 1891.

got 2 go to work now will check threads when i get back but thank youfor all the information so far its fantastic.