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HUGH TOOLEY c1828. Birthplace on census varies between Liverpool and Whitehaven Cumberland! Marries in 1851 in Liverpool. Got him in 1871 and 1881 in Stockport, Cheshire. Can't find him in 1891. Dies in 1899. Been going round in circles with this one and getting no-where. Someone PLEASE tell me what the next logical step is cos I can't see it! Thanks Lou

Hi Carrie Well I can't for the life of me find him in 1891 if you fancy looking. 1871 and 1881 they're at 67 Charles Street, Hyde, Cheshire 1871 and 1881, one says Liverpool, one Whitehaven...goodness knows what census 3 might say. And I've checked IGI for possible baptisms for both Liverpool and Whitehaven and zip! Lou

Sorry peeps I assume in Hyde as well or certainly in that area cos his death was registered in Stockport. Death cert still on route from GRO by carrier pigeon! Lou

God I'm really crap tonight, aren't I...blame the drugs! Wife is ELLEN, born 1832 Liverpool, sometimes uses her middle name of Rebecca as her first name. She didn't die till 1900 so would hope they are together Youngest child is Francis (male) born 1871 Hyde. Can't account for him. Got all the other kids covered Lou

Pass me the red pen Carrie ;)

Soorreeeee....................!!!! Its like a game of 20 questions with a 3 year old isn't it! NOW...is this not the point where I bog off to bed and leave everyone else to do the work, pick up my replies in the morning and delete the thread without bothering to say thank you????

Thanks Carrie Almost a relief that someone else can't find them as well, I know I'm not going mad! Lou

Thank you everyone. My only conclusion (other than the martian theory) is that they've been given the surname of the previous household by mistake Lou

Thanks Chris That's my Ellen Rebecca. Haven't even started on her side yet cos that's a trip to Liverpool and there's lots and lots and lots of churches to choose from, I think! Lou

Thanks Chris I might take you up on that! My son lives half with us and half with his dad on the Wirral and he keeps saying he'd love to go and do some look ups for me. NOT totally sure that I'd be too trusting of his results though, not when he phones me and says 'So how are the dead people, Mum?', Don't think he QUITE gets the seriousness of this hobby! Lou

Isn't there a big leisure park there or something? He was always going on about going to NB when he was younger They live practically across the road from the Lady Lever Art Gallery

Lou, sorry to interupt. My mail's down, I'll get in touch tomorrow. Joan x

I found Ellen Rebecca Tooley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Jumping up and down: YAY!!!!!!!!! Daughter Rose's marriage Rylance, Samuel 1876 September Marriages Ashton under Lyne Cheshire Lancashire TOOLEY, Rose Ann 1876 September Marriages Ashton under Lyne Cheshire Lancashire That family in 1891 Rylance, Samuel 58 Hyde, Cheshire Head St John Cheshire (actually 38!) Rylance, Rose Ann 34 Hyde, Cheshire Wife St John Cheshire Rylance, Elizabeth Elen 14 Daughter St John Cheshire Rylance, Harriet Ann 13 Hyde, Cheshire Daughter St John Cheshire Rylance, Henry 11 Hyde, Cheshire Son St John Cheshire Rylance, Rosa 7 Hyde, Cheshire Daughter St John Cheshire Rylance, Isabella 3 Hyde, Cheshire Daughter St John Cheshire with them are............. Ta Da!!!! Texley, Elen Rebecca 60 Liverpool, Lancashire Mother-in-law St John Cheshire Tooley, Richard 32 Hyde, Cheshire Brother-in-law St John Cheshire TOOLEY = TEXLEY .......tut! No Hugh...but I'm on a mission now...LOL (Samuel & Rose are next door to Hugh & Ellen in 1881)

Sammy That's brilliant, thank you. Fi just sent me a text to tell me to get out of bed cos someone had found my Tooley's. Still half asleep! Lou

Tried everything I can think of for Hugh....NOWT!

Thanks for trying so hard, hon, very much appreciated! Lou