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Hi Lisa

My London is in England. Where do you live in California? Me and my husband have toured 36 of the United States of America (some twice) and really liked it there so it was nice to find an ancestrial connection. We have visited Ontario but only as far as Nigara Falls.

Thanks for all the hard work and your time, I just have to type it all up now.

Pat

Hi Pat:
Is that London, Ontario? My cousin lived in London a few years ago.

Been having internet problems and lost my connection again when I was searching earlier today.

Don't see anything for John (immigration). Sorry.

Hi Lisa

Our friends are about to arrive (they are late) so I have to go, will get back tomorrow (after the man about the new kitchen has been).

Regards...........Pat

A reply for both Debi and Lisa J

You beavers, unravelling so many questions I have been wanting to find the answers to for some time, yet didn't like asking for help.

My John Wisewould's occupation shown on Elizabeth and Fred's marriage cert is Painter!!! must be some connection Lisa. Now, was he an artist or a decorator, that is the question (joke).

Although I don't live there now, I was born and raised in S.E.London and am very familiar with the district and all the areas mentioned are in close proximity.

Thanks so much you peeps, you have helped me lots, hopefully I can help you sometime.

Best regards, Pat

Ages and Nationality don't fit, but:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Elizabeth Wisewold
Arrival Date: 29 Dec 1860
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: United States of America
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: American
Ship Name: Patrick Henry
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 29
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_207
List Number: 1240
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Mary, 36, wife
Mary, 8, daughter
Elizabeth, no age, daughter

Ontario Marriage Registrations
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/thisisit.htm

004083-75 (Kent Co) W.D. WEBSTER, 21, machinist, Canada, Chatham, s/o John & Jane, married Caroline MODELAND, 18, Canada, Chatham, d/o Thomas & Ruth, witn: George BUCHANAN & Eliza J. WISEWOLD of Chatham, on 16 September 1875, at Chatham

You have to pay for records (which I've done before). Excellent site, though:
http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/index.html

Record # Surname Given Name Born Circa Year of Record Source
345785 WISEWOULD Eliz. J n/a 1871 Vital Statistic
893114 Wisewould Elizabeth 1856 1870 Passenger Record
893111 Wisewould John 1828 1870 Passenger Record
893112 Wisewould Mary 1828 1870 Passenger Record
893113 Wisewould Mary 1854 1870 Passenger Record

The 1871 date is her marriage.

"Elizabeth Wisewould
Age: 14
Year: 1870
Price: $7.23US; $8.31Cdn.
Description: LIST OF PASSENGERS: aboard vessels arriving at the port of Quebec City, Quebec and/or Montreal. Typical records in this document contain the following information: port and date of embarkation; ship's name; port and date of arrival; passenger's name, profession or occupation, marital status, age (or whether adult, child or infant or by age grouping); place at which passenger has contracted to land; and, sometimes, destination in North America. (Note: with each transcript a summary will be provided of the names and ages of other passengers travelling on the SAME ticket number, so there is usually no need to purchase transcripts for other family members.)"

Perhaps you can find the passenger list somewhere else (so you don't have to order it)?

Could this be part of the family?
1871 Census of Canada - Ontario
WISEWOULD , WILLIAM Age [45] Birthplace [ENGLAND] Religion [ BAPT] Ethnic Origin [ ENGLISH] Occupation [ PAINTER] District [2] Sub District [G] Division Page [1] Page [50] County [KEN] Description [Chatham Twn.]
http://db.library.queensu.ca/census/

"In 1998 the County of Kent and the city of Chatham were amalgamated to form the Municipality of Chatham-Kent."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatham-Kent,_Ontario

Hi again Debi

Thanks for the death of possibly my Gt Gt Grandma, oh my goodness, why didn't we ask about our relatives when previous members were still alive?

It's given me lots to think about anyway and lots more work to do, thanks.

The takeaway has arrived a bit early so I will have to go.

Bye...............Pat

Unable to find any Wisewoulds in USA at present.....what was her fathers occupation on her marriage to Walker??

As she may well have married at the age of 17 in Canada I wonder if you should ask for a look up on the canadian 1871 census if anyone has access to this.......with luck you may find the family group on there... fingers crossed

Hi Lesley

Do you mean that I (me) have saved him to my shoebox? If that is the case, I can't think why I didn't print it off or make a note of it (I like hard copies of everything) but thanks for reminding me, you can tell I am quite new to this! Anyway, thanks for letting me know.

Incidently, how comes you could look in my shoebox, I don't mind, you have helped me but I am curious.

Pat

Hi Debi

Thanks very much, it certainly sounds like her. Do you think it is likely that she married at 17 and again at 21? But then, why not. Mind you, the marriage cert her condition says spinster and her name is Wisewould but it is such an unusual surname, there isn't many people with it and the date and place of birth fit so I think you must have cracked it. She probably lied! The plot thickens.

Once again, thanks very much.

Pat

A possible death for a possible mother??


Deaths Dec 1903 (>99%)
Wisewould Mary Ann 78 Greenwich 1d 577

Heres a death record for a John Wisewould in Southwark which is near Lambeth

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England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about John Henry Wisewould
Name: John Henry Wisewould
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 51
District: St Olave Southwark (1837-1901)
County: London, Surrey

Have you seen this:

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922
about Elizbth Jane Wisewould

Name: Elizbth Jane Wisewould
Birth Place: Philadelphia Us
Age: 17
Father Name: John Wisewould
Mother Name: Mary Ann Wisewould
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Spouse Name: George Brick
Spouse's Age: 27
Spouse Birth Place: Brantford Ontario
Spouse Father Name: Titus Brick
Spouse Mother Name : Priscella Brick
Marriage Date: 16 Sep 1871
Marriage Place: Kent
Marriage County: Kent
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_5

Could this be the SAME lady???

Can anyone help me please. I canot find the birth of my Gt Grandma, however she states in the 1881 and 1891 census's that she was born in Philadelphia USA, none of the family appear to have been in the country in 1901.

ELIZABETH JANE WISEWOULD father JOHN WISEWOULD
She married Frederick David Walker on August 2, 1876, in Lambeth. Her age is shown on the marriage cert as 21, which corresponds with census's as born 1856. Incidently, I cannot find anything on John Wisewould either.

Any help would be appreciated. Now I just have find out how to post this and hopefully, how to go back to it.

Thanks for your time, Pat