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Hope that someone can help me.
I am told that one Albert J Rutland (born circa 1894) died whilst he was only young (a child) when he drowned in a puddle. However, I cannot find record of his death (or even his birth for that matter) anywhere.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Laura

Where was he from and who were his parents?

Rose

1901???????

Name: Albert J Rutland
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William G
Mother's Name: Priscilla
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England
Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Latimer Road
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: North Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 483
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Batten 71
Salina Batten 33
Albert J Rutland 9
Florence P Rutland 7
Priscilla Rutland 30
William G Rutland 37
William G Rutland 10

Rose

Sorry.
His parents were Harry Rutland 1855 - 1918 and Leanda Edmonds born 1855. Both are from the Bledlow / Marlow / Princes Risborough areas of Buckinghamshire.
Laura

You're 10 years out with his birth and he made it to 17 at least:

1901 England Census
Name: Albert J Rutland
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Harry
Mother's Name: Leanda
Gender: Male
Where born: Princes Risborough, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Princes Risborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Lacey Green St John
Town: Loosley Row
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Princes Risborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Albert J Rutland 17
Florence L Rutland 4
Frederick R Rutland 8
Harold G Rutland 12
Harry Rutland 45
Leanda Rutland 45
Nellie Rutland 10
William H Rutland 14

Rose

Births Mar 1884
Rutland Albert James Wycombe 3a 657

Rose

He made it to at least 22

Marriages Mar 1906
BATES Clara Jane Wycombe 3a 1010
Eldridge Harry Wycombe 3a 1010
Rutland Albert James Wycombe 3a 1010
Smith Caroline Wycombe 3a 1010

Rose

Wow, I'm fascinated by the fact he didn't die young. Hm, wonder what that was all about.
But, the marriage thing is going to be hard to work out. Any way of finding out who he married. I was so sure he was the second youngest sibling out of that lot. Turns out he was 4th eldest. How strange.
Laura

Is there a possibility that there is infact another sibling who did die in this way and the name have become 'muddled' over the years?

Maybe he was named after the dead child possibly?

The only way to be sure of who he married is to order his marriage cert

Possibly, but the only problem I have is that I had that Albert J Rutland that died as being born 10 years after the one who lived until at least 17. Thoroughly confused, but tempted to agree there may be a muddle somewhere along the line. Thank you, Wayne.
Laura

Laura


There is an ALFRED James Rutland who died aged 2, could this be the child your looking for?

Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%)
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RUTLAND Alfred James 2 Wycombe 3a 355

That seems more likely. Here's his birth:

Births Sep 1885
Rutland Alfred James Wycombe 3a 644

Rose

1881 for the other children.

1881 England Census
about Harry Rutland
Name: Harry Rutland
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leanda
Gender: Male
Where born: Monks Risborough, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Princes Risborough
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Hillock
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Moulder
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Princes Risborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harry Rutland 25
Harry Rutland 1
Leanda Rutland 25
Mary A. Rutland 4

Rose

1891 England Census
Name: Harry Rutland
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leauda
Gender: Male
Where born: Monks Risbridge, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Princes Risborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Speen
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Princes Risborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert I Rutland 7
Harold G Rutland 2
Harry Rutland 35
Leauda Rutland 35
Louisa Rutland 9
Mary A Rutland 14
Nellie Rutland 9/12
William H Rutland 4

Rose

You guys are amazing finding all this out. This Alfred James Rutland, any chance of finding out who his parents are?
Laura

yes order his birth and death certs!

as he was born between census's and the MMN is not stated until after 1912 you'll need to order the certs to be sure...

I know this is a pain and you'll need to wait a week for info, at least it'll remove guesswork etc. The death cert would be your best bet. It'll not only name the parent(s) but will also state cause of death.

Sorry, I'm new to all this.Didn't realise I could do that.
Laura

You can order them here for 7 pounds

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Rose

Sorry Laura i just 'assumed' everyone knew you could do that... my apologies I should have explained how to more!

Yes you can order anything you like from there as long as they have it!

If you goto the link Rose gave you, you need to use the volume and page numbers.... they are the numbers next to the death details i gave you...

Age at death would be 2

Year would be 1888

The quarter would be Jun

and then the district Wycombe

The vol number is 3a

The page is 355

The details change but you basically just need the Year, Quarter, Vol & Page no, then for death also the age at death.

It'll ask you for your details so they can post to you.... you have 2 choices the sloooooow £7 option or the fast £25 depends how desperate you are to see the data!!!

A word of warning to yourself or anyone else starting out..... DO NOT order your certs from anywhere else but direct from the GRO, this can be a very costly exercise !! They all add their own fee on and your sloooow £7 cert could cost you upto £25! you might as well have paid the GRO that fee and had it in 2 days!