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hi there
my nan,s mother was mary ann kirby born 1877 died 1932 she married a james shortland born 1866 on her marriage certifacate it says she was married in 1916 brentford middlesex and she was a widow age 39 and james shortland was 50,
her father was james mortimer he was a road labourer born abt 1852 i belive she was a bigamist can any one out there help me sort this lady out and her father i cant seem to get started on this family were did they come from did mary have any brother,s or sister,s what was her mother,s name i would appreciate any help please
maxine

was Kirby her maiden name



or was Mortimer her maiden name, and she married a Kirby, then she married James Shortland?



sylvia

Could this be her first marriage??


Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)

Kirby Richard Richmond S. 2a 923
MORTIMER Mary Richmond S. 2a 923


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1916 is during WW1, so Richard could have been killed.


You maybe should look on the Coomonweatlh Graves site to see if you can find a Richard Kirby with wife Mary or Mary Ann




sylvia

www.cwgc.org

could this be her parents and her in 1881

1881 Census

Name: James Mortimer
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 12 Oakley St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Genl Labourer

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Mortimer 4
Edward Mortimer 5
James Mortimer 29
Mary A. Mortimer 27
Mary A. Mortimer 7 mos
William Mortimer 7


I KNOW the age is out compared with what you say, but until you find a birth registration you wont know definitely




sylvia

the same family in 1891



Name: Mary A Mortimer
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jas A
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green South
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Mortimer 14
Edwd Mortimer 16
Elizth Mortimer 6
Emma Mortimer 4
Jas A Mortimer 40 General Porter
Mary A Mortimer 37
Mary A Mortimer 10
Robt Mortimer 7/12
Wm G Mortimer 17


Address:- 23 Pott Street, Bethnal Green South

This is probably the birth registration for the Mary A on those two censuses.


The question is ............ is she yours???????



Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
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MORTIMER Mary Ann S Bethnal Green 1c 283




sylvia

BTW


I cannot find a marriage with James Shortland between 1900 and 1920!