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I wouldn't take it for granted that because the brother-in-law is called Owen that this is Mary's maiden name.

At that time the term brother-in-law could also mean step-brother, so you would need to check. David Owen could be Mary's brother, OR he could be Thomas's step brother.

Just something to think about.

Kath. x

Thanks everyone - It seems the above is all correct !!!

I thought it was just me strugling and i have a little welsh in me !!!

Ironically even the name of the farm my grandfather was born in turned out to be spelt incorretly on the OS maps!

I walked for 3and a half hours to it as it was so remote and then the OS map said it was something else ! I was mighty relieved to meet a 78 year old farmer on the way back who told me i was right and turned out he went to scholl with my dad and had never left the area !!!

If anyone can help further i would be grateful.

Thanks Again

Glyn

I have to quit, just can't decide which one he is on the 1841 census. The fact that they round down the ages of everone over 15 to the nearest 5, the fact that they don't show relationships and then, those Welsh names!!
Marg

Could this be them in 1851?
Gotta admit, this Canadian is having a heck of a time with these Welsh names!

Name: Thomas Griffith
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfachreth, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Brithdir Uchaf
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Disability: View Image

Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub-registration district: Talyllyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Griffith 35, aunt
Catherine Griffith 14, aunt
Jane Griffith 3 , dau
Mary Griffith 24 , wife
Mary Griffith 16, servant
Thomas Griffith 37, head
Lewis Jones 17, servant
David Owen 16 , bro-in-law

Since bro-in-law david Owen is single it must mean that Mary's maiden name was Owen.

1851 looks like
. Ann been transcribed as a daughter and catherine as an aunt (not sure about that)?


Name: Thomas Griffith
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfachreth, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Brithdir Uchaf
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Disability: View Image

Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub-registration district: Talyllyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Griffith 35
Catherine Griffith 14
Jane Griffith 3 daughter
Mary Griffith 24
Mary Griffith 16 servant
Thomas Griffith 37
Lewis Jones 17 servant
David Owen 16 servant

(thomas was a farmer with 80 acres thats from the 61 census )

I guess this is the family on the 1901 census?
I don't normally cut & paste the census info, I usually type it out from the original but I can barely read these Welsh place names.

Name: Dora Griffiths
Age in 1901: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thos
Mother's Name: Elizth
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanaber, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llanaber
Ecclesiastical parish: Caerdeon
Town: Bont Ddu
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub-registration district: Barmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Griffiths 15
Dora Griffiths 6
Elizth Griffiths 35
Ellis Griffiths 5
John Griffiths 19
Richard Griffiths 1
Thos Griffiths 44

Thats them Brilliant.

CAn we go any farther back ?

Appreciate it

Thanks millions

these are the details incase 1861 census

Name: Thomas Griffith
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanymowdwy, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Brithdir Uchaf
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub-registration district: Barmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Griffith 89 aunt
Anne Griffith 9
Catherine Griffith 79 aunt
Griffith Griffith 13 servant
John Griffith 42 brother
Mary Griffith 34
Mary Griffith 4
Richard Griffith 6
Thomas Griffith 47
Thomas Griffith 2
Evan Morris 24

could that be him? im not good with Welsh places sorry
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Name: Thomas Griffith
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanymowdwy, Merionethshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Brithdir Uchaf
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales

My father Thomas Jones was born at Pen Nebo Bontddu in 1931

His parents were William Jones 1908-1961 and Rosina Griffith 1908 - 1936

Rosina died when my father was only 5 and William remarried. I have information on all Williams siblings as two of them are still alive age 90 + 101 and have helped me going back the Jones line.

However my father would like to know more of Rosina's side.

I have her Parents Thomas Griffith(s) b1859 a gold miner and Elizabeth Griffith(s)b1866 in the 1901 census at Pen Nebo Bontddu with her sibblings John, Ann, Dora, Ellis,and Richard.

Now i believe Thomas b1859 father was again THOMAS Griffith(s) b1814c and died sometime between 1871 & 1891 census. I think THOMAS b1814 married Mary b1827c (maiden name unknown) but from there on in and back i draw a blank as i m new and getting to grips with all this.

If you can fill in any blanks and take me further back i would be made up and so would my dad.

ps We found out Rosina is buried in Caerdeon cemetry near Bontddu

Thanks


Glyn