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i have a 2 john hutchinson's in my tree 1803ish and 1836ish both from durham or yorkshire....contact me if you want access to my tree, thanks brigette hutchinson
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The place of birth given for Thomas in 1891 is Brandspeth -- which would be Brancepeth.
In 1891, there is this household in Brancepeth:
Name: Mary Marshall
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Brancepeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Brandon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
The 1881 Marshall household also has a son:
Name: H.F. Marshall
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm.
Mother's Name: Ann
Where born: Wycliffe Hall, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Brancepeth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Stables
Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
who would have been very young to have a child in 1885ish. Daughter Mary, who would have been 20ish in 1885ish, might be a candidate for your Thomas William Marshall's mother, though.
So this definitely looks to be Thomas William Marshall's birth cert:
Name: Thomas William Marshall
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Durham (1837-1938)
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 397
and you may have it already; I haven't figured that out. And it may say who his parents are and I may have been wasting time!
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Can't spot William Hutchinson in 1891, but in 1901 he's a lodger with a Mary Collin and her grandson, still unmarried:
Name: William Hutchinson
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Lodger
Where born: Edmondbyers, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Shotley High Quarter
Ecclesiastical parish: Blanchland St Mary
Town: Blanchland
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell
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Given grandson / adopted son Thomas's name -- Thomas William Marshall -- might one suspect that he is the son of William Hutchinson, brother of John? born to a Marshall mother who was not married to William Hutchinson.
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And here we have that William Hutchinson son of Hannah, from the 1881 census, in 1861; John Hutchinson, future husband of Isabella and grandftather / adoptive father of Thomas William Marshall, is his brother:
Name: John Hutchinson
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Hannah
Where born: Edmondbyers, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Edmondbyers
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Weardale
Sub-registration district: Stanhope
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 11
Hannah Hutchinson 43
John Hutchinson 20
Joseph Hutchinson 64
William Hutchinson 18
So is Joseph, in 1891, John's son from before his marriage to Isabella, living with his grandmother Hannah in 1881?
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Might this be Joseph in 1881?
Name: Joseph Hutchinson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: William
Gender: Male
Where born: Edmondbyers, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Edmondbyers
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: **Roughside**
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Weardale
Sub-registration district: Stanhope
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Hannah Hutchinson 63 - head - widowed
William Hutchinson 38 - son - unmarried
Joseph Hutchinson 8 - grandson
"Ruffside" is what is given a couple of times as John Hutchinson's place of birth.
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Phew. In 1901, he is *adopted son*; all transcriptions per Ancestry:
Name: Thomas W Marshall
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Adopted Son
Where born: Paye Rark, Durham, England
Name: John Hutchinson
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella
Where born: Ruffside, Durham, England
Name: Isabella Hutchinson
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Where born: Houghton-Le-Spring, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Collierley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Catchgate
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Lanchester
Sub-registration district: Tanfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 156
Isabella Hutchinson 56
John Hutchinson 60
Thomas W Marshall 16
"Hutchison" is a mistranscription. It's **Hutchinson** -- you hadn't noticed that that was the name in 1891??
Name: Thomas William Marshel
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Grandson
Where born: Brandspeth, Durham, England
Name: John Hutchinson
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Essabella
Where born: Stanhope, Durham, England
Name: Essabella Hutchinson
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Where born: Hougton Le Spring, Durham, England
Name: Joseph Hutchinson
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Essabella
Where born: Stanhope, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Collierly and Pontop
Ecclesiastical parish: Collierly St Thomas
Town: Catchgate
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Lanchester
Sub-registration district: Tanfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Essabella Hutchinson 46
John Hutchinson 50
Joseph Hutchinson 18
Thomas William Marshel 6
So here is the couple in 1881, residing with her mother:
Name: Isabella Hutchinson
[Isabella Hope]
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Mother's Name: Isabella
Where born: Houghton Le Spring, Durham, England
Name: John Hutchinson
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella
Where born: Ruffside, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Lanchester
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Lanchester Mill Cottages
Registration district: Lanchester
Sub-registration district: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Isabella Hope 73
Isabella Hutchinson 36
John Hutchinson 40
No son Joseph, who would have been about 8, in evidence.
They don't seem to be in the 1871 as a couple, so this is likely their marriage:
Marriages Dec 1878
** BREWIS Isabella Lanchester 10a 366
** HUTCHINSON John Lanchester 10a 366
McDERMOTT Anne Lanchester 10a 366
McFARLIN John Lanchester 10a 366
Could have been a second marriage for one or both, given their ages.
-- edit -- duh, must have been a second marriage for her, since her mother's surname name is Hope.
Yep -- in 1871:
Name: Isabella Bruce
[Isabella Hope]
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Mother's Name: Isabella
Where born: Ospringe; Houghton (it says Houghton Le Spring)
Civil Parish: Lanchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Lanchester
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 88
Isabella Bruce 26
John Bruce 25
Isabella Hope 64 - mother-in-law to John Bruce
So duh. Bruce ... Brewis ... that was indeed the marriage, a second for Isabella.
Here's a possible Marshall-Hutchinson marriage:
Marriages Jun 1883
** Hutchinson Elizabeth Durham 10a 487
** MARSHALL William John Durham 10a 487
SKELTON Elizabeth Turner Durham 10a 487
WEELANDS William Durham 10a 487
None of which helps a huge amount, but at least you have the right surname now!
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I'm mystified. I can't find a single one of the people you've named in any census anywhere!
Could you maybe reproduce the 1891 and 1901 census records for Thomas William Marshall? To show what his year of birth is calculated as, where he's shown as born, what town he's living in, who is named as parent/grandparent.
I really just can't find hide nor hair of them, and now you've got me curious!
This is the only remotely like-looking person I've run across:
Name: Joseph Wm. Hutchison
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Lucy Elizth.
Where born: Stanhope, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Houghton Le Spring
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Sunderland Street West
Occupation: Joiners Apprentice
Registration district: Houghton Le Spring
Sub-registration district: Houghton Le Spring
Let me try my question again, though:
What was Thomas William Marshall's mother's name? Actually -- what was his father's name?
i.e. -- do you have his birth certificate to show parents' names? marriage certificate to show father's name?
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thanks Kathryn I do appologise, I found the info in the 1891 and 1901 census. As far as i know there was no other marrage for john hutchinson, I did wonder if he had a daughter that maybe married,but we seem to hit a dead end.
thanks
Dee
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What was Thomas William Marshall's mother's name? Actually -- what was his father's name?
Where was John Hutchison named as grandfather to him?
I have a complete stranger, who was the informant of death in the case of the teenaged daughter of my gr-grfather's sister in 1896, called "grandmother ". Maybe her father had taken yet another wife/partner at that point ... but I'm danged if I can figure it out!
See whether giving us a bit more info might help solve the mystery. Then you can do mine. ;)
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I am trying to find any living relatives of John Hutchinson 1830 born Stanhope, co. durham and son Joseph born abt 1865 Stanhope ,co. durham or johns wife Isabella born abt 1834 houghton-le spring, durham. he was named as grandfather to Thomas William Marshall born 1884. Thomas was my Grandfather but dont know the connection to the Hutchinsons.
if anyone can help solve the mistery it will be great.
thank you
Doreen
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