Genealogy Chat

Hi Derek,

Thanks for the update, hopefully you will find John Dakins baptism when at Derbyshire Records office.

Thanks for all your help it really is appreciated.

Chris

Thanks Derek, I am taking my friend her tree tommorow, you have helped us so much, thanks again.

Regards
Tox

Hi Tox.........I think you can be sure itsthe right Margaret

All the best

Derek

Hi Derek, (sorry I posted it wrong again old age and tennis)
Can I on behalf of my friend thank you for verifying "Waterloo Man" Samuel Godley, you also found me Robert Godley, again thanks,I have found children of Robert Godley and wife Margaret but I don't know if its the right Margaret.
On the igi it says Robertus Godley and Margaretha Boune is this a different family or a mistake on igi.
The children are
Stephan Godley 16th January 1719
George Godley 13th June 1722
Elizabeth 24th Oct 1725
Margaret 18th may 1730
all christened Whitwell
I am now transfering onto my friends tree and hope to get it right.

Regards
Tox

Hi Derek, Nina again,just a comment re young deaths.

I remember,years before being interested in family trees, reading a headstone in Eckington Churchyard.

It contained the remains of a lady called Elizabeth and fifteen children, none of who survived one year.

I often think of her, and what she must have suffered., all those years ago.

Hi Derek,
Sorry I haven't replied before.
Many thanks for the info you have provided me with it is very much appreciated.
I am wondering if I will ever solve the mystery of Victor Coles .
Victor was a tailor and kept moving around the country..............with work ?
I recently called in at the Glamorgan record office in Cardiff but couldn't find anything at all about him.
Anyway once again many thanks for what you sent me.
Patricia

Derek you mentioned the deaths of the young in a recent message. In the grave of Oliver Fox and Ann nee Clarke in the welford Road Cemetery in Leicesterthere is record of the following sad occurance of young deaths. 11 wks, 8 mths, 3 mths, 7 mths, and these all in the same grave! All Foxes or Fox decsendents. Fortunately this headstone is still standing, whereas many in WRC have toppled or been laid down 'for health and safety' reasons.

Pamela

Hi Derek,
thank you for giving me more of your time. I'm so pleased you came up with the info on John and Mary. I found on familysearch.org 4 children for John Clark(e) and mrs Mary Clark(e). The three you gave me plus John Clark(e) christened 7 Feb 1770 Sp E ndon, Derbys.
I'm never too sure about the familysearch info but it is always a good pointer in a (sometimes ) new direction.
I also found Mary Twigg daughter of William Twigg and Elizabeth, christening 28 July 1765 Saint Werburgh, Derby. Can you verify this, please?
The IGI have also recorded the christening of Hezikiah Clark on 24 June 1792 at Spondon, Derbys - Robert's son.

I'll spk again soon.
Pamela

hi Pamela..good question, but I think it's quite simple...the daughter Mary died very young, as i told you.....and i think that they called Mary number two in memory of her elder sister...but added the Ann........It happened a lot...indeed quite often parents called their next child after the one who had just died.
I don't have an answer to the Cokayne thing, because it doesn't occur anywhere else...........unless it is one or two generations back.....but as i remember the grandparents John and Mary did not come from Spondon.
I'll have a look for you....

ADDITION 23.02 Friday:..

JOHN CLARK(E) of Spondon (not born at Spondon) married MARY KIRK (of Wilne) at Wilne 16.02.1768.....

Further ADDITION 23.19..have been looking further back...John Clark was born c1743 and Mary Kirk 1747 at Wilne....beyond that we are in mists of antiquity and there are several local Cockayne/Cockain entries, but it is impossible to link them directly with the Clarks or Kirks.
I do go to matlock Records Office quite regualrly and will have a look at the Wilne Parish records.........I'm good at sniffing things out!!



Derek.

hello again Derek,
I have been looking at the names of Robert Clark and Mary Twigg's children, and note that although one is named Mary Ann, all others except Ann Cokayne Clark have only one name. Is there any reason that you can see that the name Cokayne was used? I previously thought that it could have been her mother's maiden name, but of course, I now know this is not the case. Does this name crop up further back in the line?? Absolutely no rush on this but if you come across something in the future, I'd be gald (or even glad!!) to hear.

Thanks a million
Pamela

Hi Derek, Many thanks for all the info you have provided. I am delighted to be able to go so much further back. I'm now working out how to print it off!!
Pamela

Fudge..don't get too excited..Phillimore marriages only go to 1812!!
Derek

Yoikes Derek,that's great,ha ha just this minute posted on your other thread!!!

Would love to get back into the Askews,, mwaargh never did find Clara

Gill

("I think i'll start a new Thread devoted entirely to Notts marriages.")

don't think about it do it!!!

Hey Fudge......as of tomorrow i will have the Phillimore Marriages for both the City of Nottingham and of Nottinghamshire..........I have no intention of getting intp Notts Parish records.
I think i'll start a new Thread devoted entirely to Notts marriages.

Derek

Hi Pamela.as promised here is what I have found in the Spondon parish records:-

ROBERT CLARK married MARY TWIGG 04.02.1787 at Spondon St Werbergh, and had the following children:
Dates are baptisms not birth dates.

Elizabeth 09.10.1787 (buried 27.11.1787)
John 15.04.1789
Hezekiah 24.06.1792
Hannah 12.04.1795
Mary Ann 13.12.1797 (buried 20.12.1797)
ANN COKAYNE 14.09.1799
Mary 15.10.1803 (buried 09.03.1810)

Gives you your very own slice of hardship and infant mortality, mirrored in so many families of the time, including mine.
(I have a grave of a six month old childe at Ashford Derbys who is one of three infant deaths of children of my ggg grandfather.have sort of adopted him and his grave, and visit him regularly.......sort of brings alive this whole thing which would otherwise be just paper names)

The parents of Robert Clark (baptised Spondon 07.02.1769) were John Clark and his wife Mary who were married somewhere other than Spondon.

ADDITION..22.39 Thursday:

Robert Clark's siblings:

Hezekiah 06.02.1776
Elizabeth 01.11.1772

Anything else you think might help..just ask.

All the best

Derek (ps...I'm popular because people know htey can rely on my information..fact rather than guessing or supposition)

Hi Derek you are a popular fellow!

Anyway thanks with help so far - I will now keep a lookout for any details of the family of Ann Cokayne Clark of Spondon. It will be so helpful to know something of her before her marriage to Oliver Fox.

In anticipation
Pamela

Afternoon Derek, Bad manners, that's what it is. Or a blown up computer, which happened to me a few weeks ago.

Really annoying when you do a few hours work for someone, and he/she does not return to their thread to acknowledge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Derek

Hi Patricia...........my speciality is Derbyshire, not Lancashire, and certainly not Somerset. West Derby is in fact Liverpool Lancs.

However, i've had a look around for you and have found the 1891 marraige to Eliza Lancaster in Liverpool.

Any children of that marriage would presumably be between 1891 and 1901, and there are only FOUR such births..in West Derby during that time.

They are:

Beatrice M Coles 1891
Ada E Coles 1893
Francis B Coles 1896
Geroge R Coles 1898

There is no indication on the lancs BMD who their parents were...though their Birth Certificates would tell you.

I also may have another way of finding out..I'll let you know..

Now then!! Victor A Coles was born in Clevedon Somerset in 1870/71 son of Alfred H Coles and Mary Ann (nee Brown)

Both of their parenst came from newbury in Berks.

Victor is on the 1871 and 1881 Census in Clevedon..but he is nowhere to be found on the 1891 Census.

As you say he is in Glamorgan 1901 with wife Alice, but no children as yet..so I reckon you're looking for a marriage 1900 ish.....

But what he was doing in liverpool in the interim is a mystery, and I;ve checked the Victor A Coles married to Alice is infact the same one..born Clevedon 1870/71.

I can't find a death for Eliza either.....it seems unlikely ashe died in lancashire.
ADDITION 20.51..none of the above four children belong to Victor and Eliza.


Derek

Hi Derek,
13th October 1891 my Grandfather VICTOR COLES married ELIZA LANCASTER in WEST DERBY.

Victor was born in Somerset and Eliza was born in Kirkdale,Liverpool 1868

In 1910 Victor was living in Cardiff with his WIFE ALICE, my grandmother.

I do not know if Victor and Eliza had any children !

I do not know when Eliza died !

I cannot find a marriage for Victor and ALICE POOLE !

Any info you may be able to provide me with will be very much appreciated.

Regards
Patricia