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I have found a name on the Manchester rate books for 1855-1863, which shows the address of 10 Smith Street , Ancoats, Manchester.
Also in the Slaters trade directory for 1863 for the same address.

This name does not appear on the 1861 census. I dont have the facility to search the census on line, by address. But is there any reason why this name would not appear against this address, if it was their home or lodging?

and how can I find out more on the person if not on the census?

Perhaps it was their work premises, and not their home?

If you like to give us the name, we'll have a look.

John Royle
in the 1861 England Census
Name: John Royle
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Royle
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 10 Smith Street <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: Carter
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 2869
Folio: 65
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
John Royle 28 - carter
Elizabeth Royle 27
Alice Royle 5
Charles Royle 25 - lodger, carter
John Brownhill 25 - lodger, carter

All born Manchester.

ROYLE, ALICE WALKDEN
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 424


Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%)
ROYLE John Chorlton 8c 527
WALKDEN Elizabeth Chorlton 8c 527

Is this the family you're looking for, Margaret?

Perhaps it's a different Smith Street.
This one's in Ardwick, but you said Ancoats.

sorry about this, forgot to enter the mans name-
which is James Booth, -Spinner

On other doc dated 1861 he is James Booth - Fine Spinner about 50 yrd old
On Slaters 1863 he is James Booth - Spinner.
On Rate Books he is James Booth at 10 Smith Street, Ancoats from 1859-1863

The rate books shows 1854 -William Booth at 6 Smith street,
1858 Jos Booth at 10 Smith Street
1860 Jas Booth at 10
1861 James Booth at 10
1862 John Booth 10 smithe street + Thomas Booth At No 7
1863 Jas Booth -at 10 Smith Street

I think the location is near the junction of Butler St & Woodward St,
I haven't found it on a map yet.

But Ancoats not Ardwick

Thank you

Ah -
here's 10 Smith Street, Ancoats:



Samuel Hardman
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Samuel Hardman
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: 1796
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Hardman
Gender: Male
Where born: Preston
Civil Parish: St Jude
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 10 Smith Street <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: porter
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 2935
Folio: 54
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Hardman 65
Sarah Hardman 66

Related thread:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1375714

There are no Booths anywhere in Smith Street, Ancoats in 1861.

Just grasping at straws -

this man in 1851, of about the right age, is a spinner, though it doesn't say what sort of spinner.

He's the only James/John Booth, spinner, that I can find in any census (so far). There are lots who are weavers.


James Booth
in the 1851 England Census
Name: James Booth
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Denton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Dukinfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Newton Street
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Dukinfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1t
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 160
Piece: 2237
Folio: 726
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Buckley 31 - clothes mangler
Ann Posble 14 - daughter, frame tenter (cotton)
James Booth 41 - spinner
Richard Staitham 19 - spinner

That's a possibility.

But I dont understand why James Booth should be paying the tax- as I understand it charged on all householders to help the poor, when he didn't live in that house. It is shown on the Poor Rate Books for those years. 1858-1863.

eg
" In England and Wales the poor rate was a tax on property levied in each parish, which was used to provide poor relief. It was collected under both the Old Poor Law and the New Poor Law. It was absorbed into 'general rate' local taxation in the 1920s, and has continuity with the currently existing Council Tax."

..

He may have been the owner of the house, and therefore liable for tax, but had rented it out to other people.

Looking at the Manchester Rate Books for 1861, and then trying to match them to the 1861 census, I noticed that his is far from being the only name which doesn't appear at the same address in both.

1862
James
Last name Booth
Occupier's first name(s) James
Occupier's last name Booth
Owner's title Mrs
Owner's last name Blakeley ----------------
Date 1863
Year 1863
House number 10
Address Smith Street
Location Manchester Township
Title of record Poor Rate Assessments
Archive reference M 9/40/2/255
Record set Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900
Category Census, land & surveys

1861
James
Last name Booth
Occupier's first name(s) James
Occupier's last name Booth
Owner's first name(s) Jonn
Owner's last name Blakeley ------------------
Date Jun 1861
Year 1861
House number 10
Address Smith Street
Location Manchester Township
Title of record Poor Rate Assessments
Archive reference M 9/40/2/231
Record set Manchester Rate Books 1706-1900

1860
Jas
Last name Booth
Occupier's first name(s) Jas
Occupier's last name Booth
Owner's title Mr
Owner's last name Blakeley --------
Date Jun 1860
Year 1860
House number 10
Address Smith Street
Location Manchester Township
Title of record Poor Rate Assessments
Archive reference M 9/40/2/225
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Rate Books
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