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BMD index not apparently on FSO listings ?

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margaret

margaret Report 3 Mar 2020 22:27

I have revived a paper copy of a birth registration for a Margaret Booth born 25/05/1838 in Cheetham , ( Manchester ), County of Lancaster. CHE/1/42.

A daughter of a Joseph Booth, calico printer of John Street, Cheetham and his wife Alice Thompson, registered at Cheetham on 06/07/1838 .

I cannot find this birth or father on the Family Search Org site nor in the census for 1841 or 1851.

Have I missed it.? :-S

greyghost

greyghost Report 3 Mar 2020 22:36

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro - free to use but you need to register

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BOOTH, MARGARET THOMPSON
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 473

MMN not shown on lancsbmd site
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
BOOTH Margaret 1838 Cheetham Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHE/1/42

greyghost

greyghost Report 3 Mar 2020 22:37

Possible for Margaret - Cheetham area Death

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1840
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
BOOTH Margaret 2 1840 Cheetham Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHE/2/61

greyghost

greyghost Report 3 Mar 2020 22:46

Probably not uncommon surnames but are any of these births a possibility

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BOOTH, CATHARINE THOMPSON
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 540

BOOTH, GRACE THOMPSON
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 540

BOOTH, HANNAH THOMPSON
GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 601

Catherine and Grace (probably twins) are shown on lancs bmd as born Cheetham (no mmn showing)
Hannah mmn Thompson in sub district of Saint George

A Grace Booth dies aged 0 1840 Cheetham
a Hannah Booth dies 1840 aged 0 Saint George - both show on lancsbmd site

So probably no help

greyghost

greyghost Report 3 Mar 2020 22:52

Could this be a possibility?

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Year Sub-District Registers At Reference

BOOTH Joseph 34 1841 Cheetham Archives+, Manchester Central Library

Not showing on the GRO index.

Freebmd has a Joseph Booth death Dec Qtr 1841 Manchester RD
.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Mar 2020 09:24

Familysearch is an American-based site.

If you want a English bmd info, use freebmd or the GRO site, or, in this case, Lancsbmd

And please return to the most recent of your threads about the name Booth

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1381922

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Mar 2020 11:48

Name: Joseph Booth
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Jun 1830
Parish: Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Alice Thompson

BUT - the man being sought in all the other threads is a JAMES Booth

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 4 Mar 2020 18:23

The Margaret in question is this one


Name: Margaret Booth
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 22
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1839
Marriage Date: 18 Jan 1861
Marriage Place: Manchester, St Philip, Manchester, England
Father: James Booth - Fine Spinner
Spouse: George Massey


1861
Name: Margreat Massey
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Massey
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 53
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Piece: 2937
Folio: 59
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
George Massey 26
Margreat Massey 23

I have no doubt this has been posted before, but people don't always want to have to trawl through countless threads to find relevant info

margaret

margaret Report 5 Mar 2020 15:27

Thank you for this - I did not know how to find previous threads!

As rightly said I am looking for the history of James Booth, who appears in the Slater's Trade Directory and The Manchester Poor Rate Books, -1858-1863 -but does not appears in the Census.for 1851 /1861. (as a Spinner)

It seems that the 1851 census for Manchester was badly damaged in floods and only part of the collection is available, so that might be the problem.

I bought the certificate for the birth in 1838 for a , Margaret Booth Born In Manchester.- as she has stated on census returns she completed. -1861/1871

There are two that come up on the LancBMD - one HUL/8/48 in 1841 whose father is John Booth engineer, And the other 1841 -LRD/9/98 whose mother is named Sandham., and whose father i cannot trace. without buying another certificate.

There is no entry on LancBMD for 1840 for a Margaret Booth.

I am not sure how to find - if possible more on the James Booth. Fine Spinner,, of Ancoats. - B?M?D?.

thank you for your interests. and suggestions.



..

margaret

margaret Report 5 Mar 2020 15:33



For information only , I should add that on the FSO site the 1861 census shows George & Margaret MASSEY named as George MASLEY and his wife as MARSHALL MASLEY.

Obviously corrected site of the census owner.. and perhaps other sites.?.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 Mar 2020 16:23

You must take into account that until 1875 there were no penalties for not registering births, so Margaret's may simply not exist

Also, the birth year on a census is an ESTIMATE - based on the person's declared age at that specific date.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Mar 2020 11:53

Can't see anyone named Booth at Every St in 1861

And the witnesses to Margaret's marriage to George were not apparently related to either of the couple

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Mar 2020 12:17

Margaret -

to find your previous threads, click on "My Threads" under "Tools" at the left side of this page.

Then click on "My Threads - Started" at the top of the resulting list.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Mar 2020 12:23

I'm confused - you say, "There is no entry on LancBMD for 1840 for a Margaret Booth."

But in the rest of the thread you've been talking about an 1838 birth.
Have I missed something?

Greyghost posted a LancsBMD 1838 birth - although that seems to be the daughter of Joseph, who is not who you're looking for..

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Mar 2020 12:55

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1375783

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1375714

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1377052

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Mar 2020 13:01

On one of the many other threads, OP refers to Every St, Ancoats. This is not correct

The correct info from the marriage cert is Every St, All Souls.